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Old 02-05-2008, 04:59 PM   #1
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azythromicyn

Could this be causing my mental pain the last few days????? This really sucks.... So many thoughts running through my mind. I think how my wife will cope without me and it breaks my heart. How can I have thes normal feelings traped in my head with the HORRIBLE feelings and thoughts? I wish I could just feel love, kindness, compassion again. I WANT TO FEEL ME AGAIN. If I can't, and I am not fishing for anything here, just letting you know how I feel, it is not worth living any more. I CANNOT HURT THE PEOPLE I LOVE. That has got to be the worst thought that could ever go through someone's head. HOW THE HELL DO I GET IT TO GO AWAY!!!!!



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Old 02-05-2008, 05:03 PM   #2
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Re: azythromicyn

Antony, you were having these thoughts before the AB, so I don't know that I'd blame the Z pack for those same thoughts now.

Everyone is different, but Z packs are USUALLY ok to take and cause the least amount of problems.

You're at the point where I truly believe it's time you seek professional help. I say that with utmost respect, but your posts the past several days are very desperate and regardless how you feel about therapists and therapy, if these horrid thoughts and feelings are as bad as you're describing, you need to seek help.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:06 PM   #3
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Hey Anthony,

I'm sorry you are suffering right now. The thing is, the more you try and stop the thought, the more your brain will think it is an important thought and so you will come back to it and it will form a loop. If trying to stop these thoughts worked then we wouldn't have them but we still do. I've had homicidal thoughts, suicidal, weird delusional paranoia, strange sexual ****, insane existential madness, seriously man, I've had all the crazy thoughts there is to have. It's stress. Stress throws up crazy thoughts. But you know what, they don't mean anything, they are just crazy thoughts. You would be surprised how common this is. I know it's brutal and I'm not just saying it is the thoughts that are the problem but altogether anxiety is a large part of this and in order for it to go away you have to desensitise yourself to it. I'd try and find a good therapist in your area who could help here. You might really benefit. Don't lose hope.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:11 PM   #4
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Re: azythromicyn

Thanks both of you. I have been to these therapists, have even been to the city (Harrisburg), and so far they have ALL sucked. My job is CRAZY stress, as well as other things. I will seek someone tomorrow. I am afraid of losing my wife, job, house, life. I NEVER had this before the drugs, I hope it wasn't some underlying issue that was just brought to the surface because of the drugs, but I really hate it.... I had so friggen much going for me.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:15 PM   #5
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Re: azythromicyn

Whether it's the w/d, drug reaction, or underlying issue...at this point, it doesn't matter. There's something going on here and you need to get some help for it.

You said you saw 4 therapists, in the past, you may have to see 4-5 more before you find one you like. But, you have to do something at this point. Especially if you're now fearing losing all these important things in your life.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:27 PM   #6
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I know what you mean man. I never had these crazy thoughts before the drug either and it was Citalopram that did it for me. I just think these kind of thoughts can be dealt with whatever has caused them. It was a relief to me to know that a lot of people under stress have these thoughts even without having a bad SSRI reaction.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:57 PM   #7
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Re: azythromicyn

It was citlopram for me too. Thanks both of you, but the last few days I have been feeling crappy.
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Old 02-05-2008, 06:05 PM   #8
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Hey- Is there any way you can get away from your job for a bit? Im sure this has been brought up before, or you have already thought of it......but YOU are whats most important right now, one thing at a time..... sending hugs
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Re: azythromicyn

Antony~~((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))
I know things seem out of control right now. Try to just relax for a moment. Go somewhere by yourself and just sit quiety and listen. The answers are there if you just slow down, take an hour or two to yourself. Walk. Sort things out.

You CAN do this! I have faith in you. You are letting all this get to you and you have given it too much power. I know how hard it is and I imagine it must be harder in some ways for men.

There are times I think you are simply just doing too much and are not taking enough time for yourself and definately not enough time to rest and heal. There are times when you have to cut back and simplify, you can't do it all and heal at the same time. This is where I think women have the advantage because we are better at saying 'enough. I have to take care of myself'.

YOU are important. You are going through a lot right now. Stop and give it some room. The more you fight it the worse you will feel. I wish I was there to give you a hug in person. I sense that you could really use that.
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:31 AM   #10
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Re: azythromicyn

Antony, I've been in therapy off and on for years. I had two terrible therapists in my earlier days, one who just didn't do anything and another who tried to tell me that my problems were due to bad luck. Then I found the person I see now, and everything changed. Not that I'm cured by a long shot, but she does help me.

It's awful to be feeling the way you do and having to put your trust in a stranger, especially when you've been burned as you have. But please don't give up. What you're feeling now, whether or not it's caused by meds, isn't normal, and I believe with all my heart that professional help is what's called for here. You'll be in my prayers today.
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:58 AM   #11
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It was citlopram for me too. Thanks both of you, but the last few days I have been feeling crappy.
Antony,

I agree with Laurie about seeking a therapist. Yes, they are hard to find but I am very concerned about the tone of your posts.

You also might want to take a look at this blog run by Jayme who posted about what she does when she is very depressed. Unlike what most people advise or do, she gives in to the moods and finds that by doing so, the down times don't last as long.

This is a person who was hospitalized several times and spent years on meds. She is now med free. I find her very inspirational and I am a hard sell <smile>.

http://tinyurl.com/328yz9

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Old 02-06-2008, 06:39 AM   #12
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Hey Antony- I just want to tell you that YOU STILL HAVE EVERYTHING GOING FOR YOU!!! I also want to say that I agree with many of the post here thus far. Remember hon, this will pass. I know that it seems like forever at the time, and you feel this sense of hopelessness, that it's never gonna get bettetr...why live like this, why put the people I love through this. I have felt this way many times. I have even run to my gun cabinet a few times.....only to find the combination had been changed by my hubby. Thank God for that or I wouldn't be here to talk to you today.

About your thougths: They are what they are. Just thoughts. Let them enter your mind...let them pass right through, without reacting to them! THis is called mindfulness. There are 3 states of mind. #1- The Reasonable Mind. #2- The Emotional Mind. #3- The WISE mind. The goal is to spend more time being in a wise frame of mind. A wise mind is a good combination of BOTH the Reasonable and the Emotional Mind. Practice living in the moment. Develop a "Teflon" kind of mind- where all those thoughts come into your mind and you simply let them "slide off". Try to determine whether your reaction to a particular thought is reasonable, emotional, or wise- the combination of the 3 states of mind. Don't dwell on the thoughts. Just acknowledge them and then let them go.

I know you are a guy and everything- but have you tried to write down you thoughts and feelings? Journaling can be very helpful and is actually recommended by many. Also- there are many "self-help" books out there on "mindfullness" and "CBT" thereapy. Check it out sometime. Most of all calm down and realize that this WILL NOT last forever. And, if you were not around...that would hurt people more! I know that's hard to believe, but it is very true.
Big hugs to you. Try to keep your chin up.
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Old 02-06-2008, 02:41 PM   #13
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Antony, are you taking anything else right now?
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Old 02-06-2008, 02:46 PM   #14
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This is in the prescribing information under post-marketing experience reports:

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Nervous System: convulsions, dizziness/vertigo, headache, somnolence, hyperactivity, nervousness,
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Old 02-06-2008, 05:58 PM   #15
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Re: azythromicyn

Thanks to everyone, I actually found a site where people rate drugs they take, and lots of people have had a similar reaction to mine, which makes me feel a whole lot better. I hope I can just wait it out ( stays in for about 10 days). I have not felt so bad since I had my first withdrawal... Actually this is worse, becuase it is so far away from being well....
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:03 PM   #16
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Thanks to everyone, I actually found a site where people rate drugs they take, and lots of people have had a similar reaction to mine, which makes me feel a whole lot better. I hope I can just wait it out ( stays in for about 10 days). I have not felt so bad since I had my first withdrawal... Actually this is worse, becuase it is so far away from being well....
Anthony..exposure to SSRI use will make you hypersensitive to many things, not just coffee, sugar and alcohol..... many ABX work with the same metabolizing pathway the SSRI used...and that takes many years to heal.

Genrally..you need to watch everything you eat and take in AS well as taking care of your mental health....

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Ok, I'm confused here....you've been having these thoughts and posting about them for months. I'm not sure how, all of a sudden, this is a result of taking an AB.
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It sounds like it has gotten worse than it even was before. It could be the time in withdrawal or it could be AB related. So many antibiotics have had these side-effects over the past decade.
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I'll agree the AB could have exacerbated the thoughts. But again, this has been going on for months and I don't think that taking a "wait and see if it passes" approach is the best thing.

That's just my opinion and people will do as they choose. But, it's definitely something that worries me.
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Yup, I'm a person who has no reaction to Biaxin (for my ulcers), but it has driven many a person into mayhem.
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