Need advice, higher dosage after few weeks withdawals, does it start all over again?

Onymous · 06-21-2011, 04:44 AM

Okay. I know you're going to say I'm doing this way too fast but.. I'm actually in a bit of a hurry to get this stuff off me. I need to take care of myself and my life, and It's just impossible to do when I'm on Seroxat. I need
an advice. I have been on (about, I can't cut the pills evenly) 2.5mg for three weeks with terrible withdrawals. I actually tapered my dose to 2.5 from 10mg. That is, a few months ago, I tapered my 20mg dosage to 10mg with very little withdrawals if any. And about three weeks ago I actually tried to stop from 10mg and after couple of nights of hell started taking those small
crumbles. After three weeks the symptoms (constant heartbeating, terrible fear, neurosis), and not getting any better, I, without better judgement, took 5mg two nights ago and yesterday. It started to kick in yesterday evening, and today I feel like my old paroxetine- induced brain dead self, although I have enough interest to write this and do things, I suppose.

What I mean to ask now, that was those three weeks in 2.5mg in vain? If I go back to 2.5, are the withdrawal symptoms going to start all over from the beginning, even if it's only 5mg now? Like many others, I have minimal support from anyone, and doctors not really believing me, nor having the time for me either (I'm poor, can't go to private doctor. At least my country has a public health care system, even if it sucks... Sorry, straying off topic). I feel really numb and unable to do anything while on this drug, and my sense of time is completely screwed, and it has been like this for years, and I have tried to hide it from everyone. In fact, I have been so passive, that I never realized it's largely becuse of this drug that I've taken since I was something like 16-17 (Now 23). I just thought that this is how I was, and tried to hide my incapability to do anything from everyone because it was a nuicance for people... And I thought that that this is just how I am. Now that I think about it, I have always been medicated since I was twelve years old. Thank you, you doctors, and your rampant prescribing of seroquel... I feel so stupid that only now I'm actually realizing anything, and taking time to find out about things, and the very drug I'm eating. Four years that I have lived by myself.. completely down the gutter. Hope things will get better and maybe just some day I can be happy, even if my life has been really, really crazy and screwed up for over ten years, although I feel like lately years have just passed so fast and my mind going so slow, it's like my time has stopped and everyone else moving forward.. And I also still can't believe that seroxat could do that. I'm not sure if anyone else even has a similiar experience from it... I didn't actually meant to make such a long rant about myself, but the words just came out, and I could't stop

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.... So I would really like to know how much it affects to take a higher dosage for two days, will my withdrawals be prolonged now? Because I'm sure as hell not going to keep eating 5mg a day, I feel more calm, and also more like a zombie with this, and I actually prefer the horrible symptoms for this numbness, which I, again, only now have started to fully realize...

And by the way, reading from this forum in my withdrawals and fears has given me much strenght, I don't how I would manage without it, thank you.

texgirl · 06-21-2011, 05:19 AM

Often when people taper quickly, the first few drops seem effortless, but in fact the effect of the drops is cumulative, so that it appears you're getting slammed at the lower doses when in fact it's really all those huge drops at the beginning catching up with you. This is why we recommend dose drops of no more than 10% of your current dose, every few weeks.

I'm sure someone with more knowledge than I will advise you about what dose to go back to and taper slowly from there. The most important thing to realize is that this drug has made massive changes to your brain chemistry which aren't going to be undone by "getting the drug out of your system." Slow drops are what allow the brain some time to catch up and healing to take place. Otherwise there's no telling how long you might stay in the state you're in now or whether it might actually get worse before it gets better.

doray · 06-21-2011, 07:52 AM

Hi please take any advice you are given.. I reduced from 20mg to 10mg in 6 weeks and felt fine then made the next drop and have been hit with withdrawl syndrome and this is 3 months in and it is not easing. I immediatly reinstated to 20mg after 2 days of the last drop with no relief and now plan to taper very slowly starting in July. PLease get as much information as possible before you make any rush decisions. My doctors tried 3 times to get me to go cold turkey (he obviously hasn't been there before). PLease don't see it in the short term as I did as now it will take me at least 18 months. I wish you lots of luck>

Onymous · 06-21-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by texgirl

The most important thing to realize is that this drug has made massive changes to your brain chemistry which aren't going to be undone by "getting the drug out of your system."

This... really made me think... I knew that 10% was the recommended dose for tapering, but I, perhaps arrogantly, thought that I could take the symptoms, and it would be more painful, but faster. .... And maybe I missed the whole point why it's recommended to do this slowly, and acted on desperation.. But if I go back to high dosage now, I'll go lethargical again, and it kind of scares me... And I didn't realize this could be prolonged so much... even that 5mg two times made me feel like it was harder to do stuff... I'm kind of torn as of how much to go back into..

Good luck to you too Doray.. that warning was appreciated.. It's kind of sad that there's so much ignorance in this world to have this so many people in this, as it seems there are... It's hard to take psychiatry seriously at all with crap like this... they're like mad scientists

scotty · 06-21-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Onymous

Okay. I know you're going to say I'm doing this way too fast but.. I'm actually in a bit of a hurry to get this stuff off me.

First and most important. There is no way to make this process faster. As has been mentioned, it's not about getting the drug out of your system. These drugs don't act "directly" on mood. They act by altering your brain chemistry over time. To get successfully off paxil you're going to have to slowly remove the drug allowing that chemistry to slowly return to baseline. Going faster, results in chaos and a MUCH longer withdrawal process.

Get back on 10mg and stabilize...then wean slowly. Your brain will thank you.

Onymous · 06-22-2011, 08:47 AM

Yeah... Too bad it's going to be hard going to 10% tapering, since there is no liquid version of seroxat available in my country, nor do I have a possiblity for compunding discussed in another thread.. I could afford a cheap scale used for jewerly or something, but somehow I fear it could be a little.. unreliable. At least I have time to do research now. Haah, I was so impatient and it got me into trouble. I think you good people got me back to my senses...

tootsieroll · 06-22-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Onymous

Hope things will get better and maybe just some day I can be happy, even if my life has been really, really crazy and screwed up for over ten years, although I feel like lately years have just passed so fast and my mind going so slow, it's like my time has stopped and everyone else moving forward.. And I also still can't believe that seroxat could do that.

I really feel for you cause this is exactly how I feel. I see everyone moving on with their lives and experiencing the world and here I am in my little corner in the dark watching everything pass by. I am 28 and have yet to discover the world but I am too afraid to. I haven't even gone outside of my city! Sad, I know. But you know what, I know I will get through this and once I am, I will make a goal to celebrate the milestone. Take your time and you will get through it.

Onymous · 06-23-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tootsieroll

I really feel for you cause this is exactly how I feel. I see everyone moving on with their lives and experiencing the world and here I am in my little corner in the dark watching everything pass by. I am 28 and have yet to discover the world but I am too afraid to. I haven't even gone outside of my city! Sad, I know. But you know what, I know I will get through this and once I am, I will make a goal to celebrate the milestone. Take your time and you will get through it.

...Thank you... You too, stay strong! With time... Sometimes it's hard to stay patient. I think that even if I can't live the life that I would have wanted, I try to find joy in the small things in life, so I won't regret things when I look back. And hopefully things will ease, at least that's what I like to think. I wish you luck...

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Originally Posted by pokie

What country do you live in??

Oops, I didn't mention that. Finland..

06-21-2011, 04:44 AM	#1
Onymous Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 5	Need advice, higher dosage after few weeks withdawals, does it start all over again? Okay. I know you're going to say I'm doing this way too fast but.. I'm actually in a bit of a hurry to get this stuff off me. I need to take care of myself and my life, and It's just impossible to do when I'm on Seroxat. I need an advice. I have been on (about, I can't cut the pills evenly) 2.5mg for three weeks with terrible withdrawals. I actually tapered my dose to 2.5 from 10mg. That is, a few months ago, I tapered my 20mg dosage to 10mg with very little withdrawals if any. And about three weeks ago I actually tried to stop from 10mg and after couple of nights of hell started taking those small crumbles. After three weeks the symptoms (constant heartbeating, terrible fear, neurosis), and not getting any better, I, without better judgement, took 5mg two nights ago and yesterday. It started to kick in yesterday evening, and today I feel like my old paroxetine- induced brain dead self, although I have enough interest to write this and do things, I suppose. What I mean to ask now, that was those three weeks in 2.5mg in vain? If I go back to 2.5, are the withdrawal symptoms going to start all over from the beginning, even if it's only 5mg now? Like many others, I have minimal support from anyone, and doctors not really believing me, nor having the time for me either (I'm poor, can't go to private doctor. At least my country has a public health care system, even if it sucks... Sorry, straying off topic). I feel really numb and unable to do anything while on this drug, and my sense of time is completely screwed, and it has been like this for years, and I have tried to hide it from everyone. In fact, I have been so passive, that I never realized it's largely becuse of this drug that I've taken since I was something like 16-17 (Now 23). I just thought that this is how I was, and tried to hide my incapability to do anything from everyone because it was a nuicance for people... And I thought that that this is just how I am. Now that I think about it, I have always been medicated since I was twelve years old. Thank you, you doctors, and your rampant prescribing of seroquel... I feel so stupid that only now I'm actually realizing anything, and taking time to find out about things, and the very drug I'm eating. Four years that I have lived by myself.. completely down the gutter. Hope things will get better and maybe just some day I can be happy, even if my life has been really, really crazy and screwed up for over ten years, although I feel like lately years have just passed so fast and my mind going so slow, it's like my time has stopped and everyone else moving forward.. And I also still can't believe that seroxat could do that. I'm not sure if anyone else even has a similiar experience from it... I didn't actually meant to make such a long rant about myself, but the words just came out, and I could't stop . .... So I would really like to know how much it affects to take a higher dosage for two days, will my withdrawals be prolonged now? Because I'm sure as hell not going to keep eating 5mg a day, I feel more calm, and also more like a zombie with this, and I actually prefer the horrible symptoms for this numbness, which I, again, only now have started to fully realize... And by the way, reading from this forum in my withdrawals and fears has given me much strenght, I don't how I would manage without it, thank you.

06-21-2011, 05:19 AM	#2
texgirl Regina Benzodictius Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,082	Re: Need advice, higher dosage after few weeks withdawals, does it start all over aga Often when people taper quickly, the first few drops seem effortless, but in fact the effect of the drops is cumulative, so that it appears you're getting slammed at the lower doses when in fact it's really all those huge drops at the beginning catching up with you. This is why we recommend dose drops of no more than 10% of your current dose, every few weeks. I'm sure someone with more knowledge than I will advise you about what dose to go back to and taper slowly from there. The most important thing to realize is that this drug has made massive changes to your brain chemistry which aren't going to be undone by "getting the drug out of your system." Slow drops are what allow the brain some time to catch up and healing to take place. Otherwise there's no telling how long you might stay in the state you're in now or whether it might actually get worse before it gets better. __________________ Adverse reaction to Lexapro led to Paxil, 10 months use, 2005. One month taper. Benzos (Xanax, then Klonopin), 2-1/2 years use, 2005-2007. 8 month taper. Completely free from psychiatry since 8/5/07 Face. Accept. Float. Let Time Pass. — Dr. Claire Weekes *We either make ourselves miserable or we make ourselves happy. The amount of work is the same.* — Carlos Castañeda

06-21-2011, 07:52 AM	#3
doray Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 31	Re: Need advice, higher dosage after few weeks withdawals, does it start all over aga Hi please take any advice you are given.. I reduced from 20mg to 10mg in 6 weeks and felt fine then made the next drop and have been hit with withdrawl syndrome and this is 3 months in and it is not easing. I immediatly reinstated to 20mg after 2 days of the last drop with no relief and now plan to taper very slowly starting in July. PLease get as much information as possible before you make any rush decisions. My doctors tried 3 times to get me to go cold turkey (he obviously hasn't been there before). PLease don't see it in the short term as I did as now it will take me at least 18 months. I wish you lots of luck>

06-22-2011, 08:47 AM	#6
Onymous Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 5	Re: Need advice, higher dosage after few weeks withdawals, does it start all over aga Yeah... Too bad it's going to be hard going to 10% tapering, since there is no liquid version of seroxat available in my country, nor do I have a possiblity for compunding discussed in another thread.. I could afford a cheap scale used for jewerly or something, but somehow I fear it could be a little.. unreliable. At least I have time to do research now. Haah, I was so impatient and it got me into trouble. I think you good people got me back to my senses...

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