Kratom

[mzmadness]

I completely forgot I used to drink kratom tea and it gave me calming effects. I just saw some in my cupboard and I'm going to try it out again. I dont know what it will do since I haven't had any since coming off of paxil, but through personal experience and research its believed to greatly reduce anxiety, which is the most crippling and ongoing withdrawal symptom I am experiencing. I take klonopins for anxiety as needed. But I am all about herbal alternatives.

From what I've read, the only negative side effect of kratom is dehydration, so drinking plenty of water with it is a good idea. There was recently a new anti kratom thing going around where a few people felt the need to go to rehab for kratom. Which in my opinion is utterly ridiculous. Yes, it can be habit forming. But the very negligible withdrawal symptoms subside within a week.

Drs were prescribing those people going through so called kratom withdrawal suboxin. Which is SO MUCH WORSE and more habit forming than kratom. Suboxin is given to people who are trying to get off of heroin for god sakes. That is just disgusting.

It hasnt really been in the news after that lately. But I remember enjoying the calming, relaxing effect it had on me. So here I am brewing some up for the first time in several months. This is most likely going to really help with my anxiety and also help curb the cravings I've been having to do what I've done for 12 years, smoke marijuana, which I can no longer do in withdrawal, as it makes me horribly anxious and paranoid. So here is hoping I just discovered something to help my anxiety. Ill post the results after drinking.

I welcome any one who disagrees with kratom use to post, but please no negativity or direct insults on me for this choice. This may be the only thing that helps my crippling anxiety. It is a legal substance that has not proved any real dangers. Please do not group it with hard drug use either. Google it and read about it if you have never heard of it or wish to learn more about it.

[mzmadness]

It definitely helped. I'm feeling little to no anxiety and slightly euphoric. I made pretty light tea. If you make it too strong then it tends to make you feel weird. But I'm feeling pretty good, glad I remembered it

[TryingtoGetWell]

I'm a big believer in individual rights and freedom to make informed choices as long as they don't harm others, so I certainly won't insult you and I hope you won't see what I write as negative.

I do have some concerns that some people desperate for relief might see this as a panacea or other way out from withdrawal problems, but might have different results than you evidently have experienced.

The fact that some people have sought out rehab or suboxone tells me that not everyone has had your experience of:

Originally Posted by mzmadness

Yes, it can be habit forming. But the very negligible withdrawal symptoms subside within a week.

We have seen here that some people can go off SSRIs with no withdrawal symptoms, and some have relatively brief unpleasantness, while others have lengthy and miserable withdrawals. Not everyone has the same experience, and also people can sometimes go off a med with minimal or not problems one or more times and then do the same thing another time and find themselves in severe protracted withdrawal.

I have seen similar things happen with people addicted to other drugs such as alcohol and opiates. (I realize kratom isn't actually an opiate, I'm just bringing up another example.) After too many courses of things they find themselves in a nightmare that didn't happen earlier in their uses. I'm speaking of people I knew personally (including family members) as well as having read of many such cases. This can be a problem with any addictive substance.

I will toss out the suggestion that you only use the kratom when anxiety is particularly severe if you choose to use it, to avoid the pattern I just mentioned. But most of all I want to stress to others reading this thread that their experience may differ from yours, especially given that many people (not all, but many) become hyperreactive in various ways even to natural supplements and herbs in withdrawal. (The latter was a problem for me, and I was and still am a strong advocate of conscientious use of supplements and herbs.)

[mzmadness]

tryingtogetwell, Thanks for the reply. I used to use kratom recreationally and remembered the calming effects it had on me. Im really happy I tried it and I will probably continue its use.

I have made batches that were too strong and made me feel unpleasant. However I've never felt addicted to kratom. I feel that the DRs that gave those people suboxon is another sad case of misinformed Drs eager to shove pills down peoples throats. Just like drs prescribing people paxil.

I agree with you that it is different for everyone though, and maybe those few people did feel they needed rehab, however giving someone a much more habit forming drug(suboxon) for something that has habit forming qualities more like caffeine(kratom) is just still absolutely absurd to me. I'm sure people that are addicted to coffee dont go get heroin to soothe their coffee withdrawal. (exaggerated example, I know, but a good one to get my point across)

Anyways, It would have been wise for me to give a warning to readers to be careful if they were to decide to use kratom. To clear the air I do not advocate the use of kratom for anyone reading this post, as trying to get well said, the effects can be different for everyone and ultimately unpleasant. Especially if one doesn't know how to measure out the kratom and makes it too strong.Thats not a good feeling, I know as I've experienced it.

I feel just as long as I keep the brew light this is a good thing for ME. I felt happy and had no anxiety, but again readers be aware that this is NOT a good idea for everyone. It could make matters worse for some people. It affects everyone differently. I do apologize for not stating that fact earlier. Thanks for the input tryingtogetwell!

[mzmadness]

Oh and while your on here trying, I kind have been feeling hyperactive now that I think about it. I take a womans multi vitamin and fish oil. I just read a thread on here about how fish oil can worsen anxiety. I take 2 capsules every morning. I feel if I dont take it I feel tired and achy. So I guess I will have to try to just not take it fora few days and see if that is causing me to be more anxious and hyper. any input(quetion mark key doesnt work)

[scotty]

Originally Posted by TryingtoGetWell

I'm a big believer in individual rights and freedom to make informed choices as long as they don't harm others, so I certainly won't insult you and I hope you won't see what I write as negative.

I do have some concerns that some people desperate for relief might see this as a panacea or other way out from withdrawal problems, but might have different results than you evidently have experienced.

The fact that some people have sought out rehab or suboxone tells me that not everyone has had your experience of:



We have seen here that some people can go off SSRIs with no withdrawal symptoms, and some have relatively brief unpleasantness, while others have lengthy and miserable withdrawals. Not everyone has the same experience, and also people can sometimes go off a med with minimal or not problems one or more times and then do the same thing another time and find themselves in severe protracted withdrawal.

I have seen similar things happen with people addicted to other drugs such as alcohol and opiates. (I realize kratom isn't actually an opiate, I'm just bringing up another example.) After too many courses of things they find themselves in a nightmare that didn't happen earlier in their uses. I'm speaking of people I knew personally (including family members) as well as having read of many such cases. This can be a problem with any addictive substance.

I will toss out the suggestion that you only use the kratom when anxiety is particularly severe if you choose to use it, to avoid the pattern I just mentioned. But most of all I want to stress to others reading this thread that their experience may differ from yours, especially given that many people (not all, but many) become hyperreactive in various ways even to natural supplements and herbs in withdrawal. (The latter was a problem for me, and I was and still am a strong advocate of conscientious use of supplements and herbs.)

Pretty much covers it. A quick google on kratom sends up some red flags. I'm not sure using a substance that is capable of mitigating the symptoms of heroin withdrawal is something that most would like to ingest voluntarily.

As we say all the time...just because something is natural, doesn't mean that it's safe.

[TryingtoGetWell]

Originally Posted by mzmadness

Oh and while your on here trying, I kind have been feeling hyperactive now that I think about it. I take a womans multi vitamin and fish oil. I just read a thread on here about how fish oil can worsen anxiety. I take 2 capsules every morning. I feel if I dont take it I feel tired and achy. So I guess I will have to try to just not take it fora few days and see if that is causing me to be more anxious and hyper. any input(quetion mark key doesnt work)

Sorry, I must have signed off too soon and didn't see this til reading my email notifications just now.

Many people have found that fish oil helps them, at least at some (not necessarily all) stages of recovery, but not all. I'm one who had a bad reaction to it and can't use it. (I also had repeated bad reactions to many different kinds of magnesium supplementation, another one that helps most people some of the time.) Other people too have on occasion posted about having bad reactions to these supplements even though they have clearly provided some relief for many people.

But some of the nutrients in your multivitamin may also be causing you problems. Believe me, supplements that had consistently helped some of my chronic medical conditions prior to going off paxil, I couldn't tolerate for quite a long time post-paxil. (I've more recently been able to gradually - and I stress gradually, starting with very tiny amounts and gradually increasing the dose every 4-7 days - resume some supplements I really need medically. But for quite some time surviving severe withdrawal was my priority, even if it meant doing without nutrients my body clearly needs in greater quantity than I can get from food.)

For example, many people can't take some or sometimes even any B vitamins, and all multis will contain Bs. This doesn't apply to everyone, but my suggestion would be to stop all supplements, wait at least a week or maybe two, then gradually introduce a lower dose (just part of a capsule or tablet if necessary) of one of your supplements, and not try that with the other one til you see how you do on just one. If you feel worse, wait at least 4-7 days for your body to completely clear the supplement after stopping, then try the other one the same way.

You may be able to tolerate one or both - or none. At this point. That doesn't mean you won't be able to use either or both again in the future, even while still recovering, but people often need to keep re-evaluating supplements due to sensitivities caused by the different stages of the recovery process, and adjust or discontinue any supplements accordingly.

I also would have to check your earlier posts, but if I'm remembering correctly (hard with so many new members!), I think you're about three months off the med? That is a time when many people find some preliminary symptoms dropping off but a new stage of other symptoms develop or increase, and that is something you have to accept as part of the healing process and learn to tolerate; there may not be a supplement that addresses the various stage of the healing process. Our bodies are amazingly intricate "machines" and a complex rebalancing process is occurring as we recover from the changes these meds have made in our bodies. Hard to accept at the time, but our bodies know what they are doing to heal even if we don't understand the process.

[robert12]

Originally Posted by mzmadness

I completely forgot I used to drink kratom tea and it gave me calming effects. I just saw some in my cupboard and I'm going to try it out again. I dont know what it will do since I haven't had any since coming off of paxil, but through personal experience and research its believed to greatly reduce anxiety, which is the most crippling and ongoing withdrawal symptom I am experiencing. I take klonopins for anxiety as needed. But I am all about herbal alternatives.

From what I've read, the only negative side effect of kratom is dehydration, so drinking plenty of water with it is a good idea. There was recently a new anti kratom thing going around where a few people felt the need to go to rehab for kratom. Which in my opinion is utterly ridiculous. Yes, it can be habit forming. But the very negligible withdrawal symptoms subside within a week.

Drs were prescribing those people going through so called kratom withdrawal suboxin. Which is SO MUCH WORSE and more habit forming than kratom. Suboxin is given to people who are trying to get off of heroin for god sakes. That is just disgusting.

It hasnt really been in the news after that lately. But I remember enjoying the calming, relaxing effect it had on me. So here I am brewing some up for the first time in several months. This is most likely going to really help with my anxiety and also help curb the cravings I've been having to do what I've done for 12 years, smoke marijuana, which I can no longer do in withdrawal, as it makes me horribly anxious and paranoid. So here is hoping I just discovered something to help my anxiety. Ill post the results after drinking.

I welcome any one who disagrees with kratom use to post, but please no negativity or direct insults on me for this choice. This may be the only thing that helps my crippling anxiety. It is a legal substance that has not proved any real dangers. Please do not group it with hard drug use either. Google it and read about it if you have never heard of it or wish to learn more about it.

I have Kratom here but never tried it.. i'm too afraid of what can happen. i bought it for relief of intense headaches.. i heard it can help with pain... but who knows how it will react to a person who is weaning off a benzo. Kratom is good for healthy people for pain problems.. as its a natural plant but i think risky for those with messed up brains caused by psychotropic withdrawals.

I heard some good results with this tea.. sometimes i wanna drink some and then another part of my mind says dont take it you might choke and die.

i dont wanna pop tylenols with codeines because they do nothing.

anybody else with positive experience with kratom post it here..