Why is GSK so protected?

PaxilDream · 06-01-2012, 06:57 PM

How are they so protected and we have nothing really we can do? How come a doctor can legally tell me these drugs are safe with no withdrawal and gt away with it?

First I'd like to state that I'm not the sueing type. But I do know that I have been wronged by somebody be it my doctors or the company who made paxil and didn't provide the correct information to the public. So is it just a huge game of point the finger? What is the legal reason this drug was able to reach me, be told to me I would never had withdrawal problems, not addictive, safe, only to be concerned with how I feel in the first two weeks, safe to take for life, never advised some of my medical conditions could have been caused by paxil, and I have no ground to stand on?

What did I do wrong that put me in such a vulnerable position that I was able to be taken advantage of so easily?

markca · 06-02-2012, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PaxilDream

How are they so protected and we have nothing really we can do? How come a doctor can legally tell me these drugs are safe with no withdrawal and gt away with it?

First I'd like to state that I'm not the sueing type. But I do know that I have been wronged by somebody be it my doctors or the company who made paxil and didn't provide the correct information to the public. So is it just a huge game of point the finger? What is the legal reason this drug was able to reach me, be told to me I would never had withdrawal problems, not addictive, safe, only to be concerned with how I feel in the first two weeks, safe to take for life, never advised some of my medical conditions could have been caused by paxil, and I have no ground to stand on?

What did I do wrong that put me in such a vulnerable position that I was able to be taken advantage of so easily?

you took the words right out of my mouth. i was told exactly the same only to become a drug addict by stealth for 10 damm years and then to be forced to go to hell for 2.5 years to exit it...(thats an understatement)
something extremely criminal is going on worldwide...doctors and drug companies are getting away with murder!

Bilo76 · 06-02-2012, 09:48 AM

Because

a.) 85% of the people that are or were on an AD say it helps/helped them

b.) You can not prove the link between your symptoms as being wd. Most logic is that your old symptoms returned. You were on paxil for ibs and never had depression before? Well proof that it isnt linked to other stuff happening in your life. Perhaps you are depressed cause you had to take a break from work.

And above all:

c.) 90% or more of the people dont have the hell wd we have. They have it not at all or for a few weeks. Every week i talk to a different person in my real life that has used an ad and they all say that comming off made them fysical sick for the first week and emotional the next three weeks and then they were fine. I guess i spoken to 25 people, cause i ask everyone if they were on an ad

Bilo76 · 06-02-2012, 03:29 PM

What i do wanna add;..is that what i find weird is that the doctors dont mention the side-effects more. Cause all though the 'hell-WD' only happens to a few,..the side effects happen to a lot. And the doctor said to me that "there was a chance of some light side effects" while the people i know that are/were on paxil ALL got fat, sweaty, less sexual aroused, numb etc etc. A few exceptions here and there,..but basically i am guessing 90% of the peeps all had these symptoms.

julieannboo · 06-04-2012, 06:44 PM

How do you know that 90% of people on an anti depressant didnt have bad withdrawal?
Is there any proof of this?
I would have thought that the percentage of people who dont get withdrawal would have been alot lower?

Bilo76 · 06-05-2012, 01:55 AM

Well off course these percentages are guesses. I base them on stories i hear from people in my real life (and 1 out of every 6 dutchmen has taken or is taking an ad, so i can easily find 25 or more users) and on stories/reviews i read. Furthermore i mention only 10% has this hell wd that last months. Everybody that stops has wd only its less intense and only few weeks

scotty · 06-05-2012, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilo76

Well off course these percentages are guesses. I base them on stories i hear from people in my real life (and 1 out of every 6 dutchmen has taken or is taking an ad, so i can easily find 25 or more users) and on stories/reviews i read. Furthermore i mention only 10% has this hell wd that last months. Everybody that stops has wd only its less intense and only few weeks

There are no statistics on withdrawal. No one is collecting that information and few know about withdrawal. Most end up using a different drug having been told that it's their "original problem" when in fact it's withdrawal.

PaxilDream · 06-05-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

There are no statistics on withdrawal. No one is collecting that information and few know about withdrawal. Most end up using a different drug having been told that it's their "original problem" when in fact it's withdrawal.

Agreed. This is exactly what I think is happening. I am very lucky to have a pretty low stress job with a decent amount of time off. Also working for the government is a much more secure job. I can imagine there are many many people that had to switch to another drug because they just plain don't have the time to withdrawal right now and can't afford to lose there job.

Bilo76 · 06-05-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

There are no statistics on withdrawal. No one is collecting that information and few know about withdrawal. Most end up using a different drug having been told that it's their "original problem" when in fact it's withdrawal.

I know there are no statistics. Thats why i said it were my guesses

And i agree that changing a drug can change it a bit. but from exprience i know that another ssri doesnt cover the WD from another ssri. Also, there are pleny of people that simply quit an AD.

2bADFree · 06-09-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilo76

Because

a.) 85% of the people that are or were on an AD say it helps/helped them

b.) You can not prove the link between your symptoms as being wd. Most logic is that your old symptoms returned. You were on paxil for ibs and never had depression before? Well proof that it isnt linked to other stuff happening in your life. Perhaps you are depressed cause you had to take a break from work.

And above all:

c.) 90% or more of the people dont have the hell wd we have. They have it not at all or for a few weeks. Every week i talk to a different person in my real life that has used an ad and they all say that comming off made them fysical sick for the first week and emotional the next three weeks and then they were fine. I guess i spoken to 25 people, cause i ask everyone if they were on an ad

I think there is a lot of truth to what Bilo said, even if we don't know the exact percentages. I have met people who have gotten off Paxil with little to no problem, and I know that there is also a huge volume of people going through withdrawal hell just based on all of the testimonies on websites such as PP. I think a conservative estimate may be that 2/3 of people have little trouble getting off Paxil, while 1/3 have horrible trouble getting off.

I still relate to the original poster's question. Why is GSK so protected? Why is the idea of terrible withdrawal scoffed at by many doctors? What is so bad about the idea of a slow taper to them?

caperjackie · 06-10-2012, 02:03 AM

It is a huge wish of mine that the truth about these foul drugs will come out. It is my opinion that we have all been shafted by big pharma and it is not only the WD but also the subtle changes that are made to our personalities over time (and we are the lucky ones who were not turned into suicidal/homicidal maniacs). Who would believe that an approved prescription drug could do all of this??
Bilo - have you asked folk how long they have stayed off this class of drugs? Scotty is right, many people do not realise they are going through WD and are consequently misdiagnosed with 'return of original condition'. The key to being free is to STAY off so folk who go on and off 'with no problem' are not actually doing so. It may alter your stats a bit .....

PaxilDream · 06-11-2012, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 2bADFree

I think there is a lot of truth to what Bilo said, even if we don't know the exact percentages. I have met people who have gotten off Paxil with little to no problem, and I know that there is also a huge volume of people going through withdrawal hell just based on all of the testimonies on websites such as PP. I think a conservative estimate may be that 2/3 of people have little trouble getting off Paxil, while 1/3 have horrible trouble getting off.

I still relate to the original poster's question. Why is GSK so protected? Why is the idea of terrible withdrawal scoffed at by many doctors? What is so bad about the idea of a slow taper to them?

I agree it has me clueless. It seems pretty clear cut that something was done wrong and nothing is being done about it. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to have dangerous drugs out there but I am saying dangerous drugs need to be out there only if there is support at the front end and the back end of the product.

PaxilDream · 06-11-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by caperjackie

Who would believe that an approved prescription drug could do all of this??

I know right? That is the kicker for me too. I don't have any problem with addictive drugs being on the market like pain pills, xanax, you know things that are abused. They problem I have is that and SSRI is dangerous in my opinion because you can have severe withdrawal like we do WITHOUT abusing a drug and it can mess with who you are to a point where you don't even notice the drug is taking over.

At least with pain pills a lot of people who end up having problems knew well in advance they were taking way to much medicine and they had to work up to there addiction. That to me seems safer because at least there was a warning sign.

08-17-2012, 04:31 AM

My sister was on Cymbalta, wellbutrin and Celexa for 10+ years. She just tapered over a week and had no symptoms at all! My mom's sister was on prozac for 16 years. She just quit cold turkey with NO symptoms at all... And no, NO symptoms showed up later. That was 3 years ago and they are both 100%.

Delta · 08-18-2012, 11:24 AM

GSK exports billions every year. Not protecting it would be stupid. A cashcow must be protected at all cost in a capitalist system.
The problem here is ignorance. when people go to a doctor is because they want help. And doctors are very trusted. So people take theese poisons thinking that their situation will improve with tolerable side effects.
I was on paxil for many years and that was BY FAR, THE WORST DECISION IN MY LIFE, just because i trusted doctors. Now ihave developed taquyphilaxis on ssri's and i am worse than before takingthem, having developed irreversible damage like pssd and neuroendocrine dysfunctions.
GSK continues to poison people...

Moui · 08-18-2012, 11:56 AM

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My sister was on Cymbalta, wellbutrin and Celexa for 10+ years. She just tapered over a week and had no symptoms at all! My mom's sister was on prozac for 16 years. She just quit cold turkey with NO symptoms at all... And no, NO symptoms showed up later. That was 3 years ago and they are both 100%.

This. This is the root of it all... Why do some people have no problems? So in that sense it's not addicting? I think 100% of people who quit a 2 year heroin binge will have WD. But it's not the same with ssri. What really blows my mind is that years ago I tried escitalopram and it did nothing, and neither did cold-turkeying it. But then with citalopram which is supposed to be almost identical, I get all kinds of hell from serotonin syndrome to protracted wd. Frustrating...very...very...frustrating.

Shiloh1 · 08-18-2012, 03:21 PM

NO idea-it's so weird! My friend quit her Lexapro after a bout with PPD and she was FINE and no, she is not on anything else now and that was years ago...NO idea why everyone's brain chemistry is SO different......I know though that with me, I have ALWAYS been sensitive to drugs. I always had the weird reactions that no one else has. The funny thing is that i'm not sensitive to caffeine or anything like that BUT when it comes to manufactured drugs, I have EVERY side effect, even the ones that they barely mention at the end like only 0.00001 % of the population had this one weird side effect-yes that is me!

eileen · 08-21-2012, 01:06 PM

They are protected because they are so very wealthy and have the big lawyers to cover them. Most of us are so sick in WD that we couldn't do anything about it anyway!

06-01-2012, 06:57 PM	#1
PaxilDream Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 484	Why is GSK so protected? How are they so protected and we have nothing really we can do? How come a doctor can legally tell me these drugs are safe with no withdrawal and gt away with it? First I'd like to state that I'm not the sueing type. But I do know that I have been wronged by somebody be it my doctors or the company who made paxil and didn't provide the correct information to the public. So is it just a huge game of point the finger? What is the legal reason this drug was able to reach me, be told to me I would never had withdrawal problems, not addictive, safe, only to be concerned with how I feel in the first two weeks, safe to take for life, never advised some of my medical conditions could have been caused by paxil, and I have no ground to stand on? What did I do wrong that put me in such a vulnerable position that I was able to be taken advantage of so easily?

06-02-2012, 09:48 AM	#3
Bilo76 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Holland Posts: 1,641	Re: Why is GSK so protected? Because a.) 85% of the people that are or were on an AD say it helps/helped them b.) You can not prove the link between your symptoms as being wd. Most logic is that your old symptoms returned. You were on paxil for ibs and never had depression before? Well proof that it isnt linked to other stuff happening in your life. Perhaps you are depressed cause you had to take a break from work. And above all: c.) 90% or more of the people dont have the hell wd we have. They have it not at all or for a few weeks. Every week i talk to a different person in my real life that has used an ad and they all say that comming off made them fysical sick for the first week and emotional the next three weeks and then they were fine. I guess i spoken to 25 people, cause i ask everyone if they were on an ad __________________ Bilo aka Remco 14 years on Paxil 20 mg cause of a bad anxiety disorder (social anxiety, agoraphobia) 2011 Oct 16th: Cold turkey stop Paxil cause of poopout and switch to lexapro 15 mg. Hell started. Tapered lexapro. Tapered oxazepam. Med-free since may 18th 2012 "....We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality. It can not command, only serve..." Albert Einstein.

06-02-2012, 03:29 PM	#4
Bilo76 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Holland Posts: 1,641	Re: Why is GSK so protected? What i do wanna add;..is that what i find weird is that the doctors dont mention the side-effects more. Cause all though the 'hell-WD' only happens to a few,..the side effects happen to a lot. And the doctor said to me that "there was a chance of some light side effects" while the people i know that are/were on paxil ALL got fat, sweaty, less sexual aroused, numb etc etc. A few exceptions here and there,..but basically i am guessing 90% of the peeps all had these symptoms. __________________ Bilo aka Remco 14 years on Paxil 20 mg cause of a bad anxiety disorder (social anxiety, agoraphobia) 2011 Oct 16th: Cold turkey stop Paxil cause of poopout and switch to lexapro 15 mg. Hell started. Tapered lexapro. Tapered oxazepam. Med-free since may 18th 2012 "....We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality. It can not command, only serve..." Albert Einstein.

06-04-2012, 06:44 PM	#5
julieannboo Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,395	Re: Why is GSK so protected? How do you know that 90% of people on an anti depressant didnt have bad withdrawal? Is there any proof of this? I would have thought that the percentage of people who dont get withdrawal would have been alot lower? __________________ Paxil History: 20mg - April 1997 0mg - Summer 1998 30mg - October 1999 20mg - October 2002 - July 2011 20mg to 10mg - July 2011 - March 2012 (10% taper) CRASHED when i got to 5.2mg Back on 10mg - STAYING HERE FOR TIME BEING.

06-05-2012, 01:55 AM	#6
Bilo76 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Holland Posts: 1,641	Re: Why is GSK so protected? Well off course these percentages are guesses. I base them on stories i hear from people in my real life (and 1 out of every 6 dutchmen has taken or is taking an ad, so i can easily find 25 or more users) and on stories/reviews i read. Furthermore i mention only 10% has this hell wd that last months. Everybody that stops has wd only its less intense and only few weeks __________________ Bilo aka Remco 14 years on Paxil 20 mg cause of a bad anxiety disorder (social anxiety, agoraphobia) 2011 Oct 16th: Cold turkey stop Paxil cause of poopout and switch to lexapro 15 mg. Hell started. Tapered lexapro. Tapered oxazepam. Med-free since may 18th 2012 "....We should take care not to make the intellect our god; it has, of course, powerful muscles, but no personality. It can not command, only serve..." Albert Einstein.

06-10-2012, 02:03 AM	#11
caperjackie Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 905	Re: Why is GSK so protected? It is a huge wish of mine that the truth about these foul drugs will come out. It is my opinion that we have all been shafted by big pharma and it is not only the WD but also the subtle changes that are made to our personalities over time (and we are the lucky ones who were not turned into suicidal/homicidal maniacs). Who would believe that an approved prescription drug could do all of this?? Bilo - have you asked folk how long they have stayed off this class of drugs? Scotty is right, many people do not realise they are going through WD and are consequently misdiagnosed with 'return of original condition'. The key to being free is to STAY off so folk who go on and off 'with no problem' are not actually doing so. It may alter your stats a bit ..... __________________ Was on Paxil 20mg for a few years Switched to Paxil 12.5 CR over 10 years ago Total time on Paxil around 14 years 2 failed attempts at cold turkey Tapered for over a year by skipping one dose per week each month Paxil free since April 14th 2011 Still having withdrawal symptoms but getting better LIFE IS GOOD TOTALLY DRUG FREE Supplements - Fish oils, Cal/mag, GABA September 2012 - Supplement free and feeling great

08-17-2012, 04:31 AM	#14
Belacqua11 Posts: n/a	Re: Why is GSK so protected? My sister was on Cymbalta, wellbutrin and Celexa for 10+ years. She just tapered over a week and had no symptoms at all! My mom's sister was on prozac for 16 years. She just quit cold turkey with NO symptoms at all... And no, NO symptoms showed up later. That was 3 years ago and they are both 100%.

08-18-2012, 11:24 AM	#15
Delta Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 29	Re: Why is GSK so protected? GSK exports billions every year. Not protecting it would be stupid. A cashcow must be protected at all cost in a capitalist system. The problem here is ignorance. when people go to a doctor is because they want help. And doctors are very trusted. So people take theese poisons thinking that their situation will improve with tolerable side effects. I was on paxil for many years and that was BY FAR, THE WORST DECISION IN MY LIFE, just because i trusted doctors. Now ihave developed taquyphilaxis on ssri's and i am worse than before takingthem, having developed irreversible damage like pssd and neuroendocrine dysfunctions. GSK continues to poison people... __________________ Paxil for 12 years ( until 2010 ) irregularly. sept 2010 stop cold turkey because of poopout ( tachyphylaxis ) now i know dec2010 brain imploded dec 2010 sertralin 50 mg feb2011 agomelatin 20mg mar2011 moclobemide may 2011 venlafaxine until feb 2012 march 2012 buppropion April 2012 free of ad Developed PSSD join ssrisex at yahoogroups and http://pssd.forumotion.com/ if you have pssd. ALL THE LUCK FOR YOU ALL

08-18-2012, 03:21 PM	#17
Shiloh1 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: California Posts: 387	Re: Why is GSK so protected? NO idea-it's so weird! My friend quit her Lexapro after a bout with PPD and she was FINE and no, she is not on anything else now and that was years ago...NO idea why everyone's brain chemistry is SO different......I know though that with me, I have ALWAYS been sensitive to drugs. I always had the weird reactions that no one else has. The funny thing is that i'm not sensitive to caffeine or anything like that BUT when it comes to manufactured drugs, I have EVERY side effect, even the ones that they barely mention at the end like only 0.00001 % of the population had this one weird side effect-yes that is me! __________________ On 5 mgs Lexapro for 3 years due to stress. Last pill: 03/24/11 Still Dealing with the Following: Physical Symptoms: Totally GONE (except I am still unable to lose all the weight but could be because i'm pushing 40) Psychological Symptoms: Anhedonia: 60% Improved Motivation: 70% Improved Anger/Irritibility: 70% Improved Insomnia: gone, sleep all night now-most nights. Sense of Humor: Slowly returning Now wicked PMS that I did not have before meds

08-21-2012, 01:06 PM	#18
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,526	Re: Why is GSK so protected? They are protected because they are so very wealthy and have the big lawyers to cover them. Most of us are so sick in WD that we couldn't do anything about it anyway! __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. 4/10 Weaning Benzo. 12/11 Benzo Free! Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

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