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Old 04-11-2005, 02:13 PM   #1
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There's a "spot" on my right frontal lobe.

Sounds a bit like "there's a hole in the bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza." More like a hole in my head.

I went to my neurologist today, to get the results of an MRI, and it appears there is a "spot" on my right frontal lobe. The doctor told me not to get too alarmed about this. He says it's probably a migrane spot, but has ordered a second MRI because he's uncertain. He knows about my struggle, with Paxil and Xanax, and DOES believe it's possible the "spot" could be tied into the protracted withdrawal. It's 5mm long/wide, so it's small, but I don't think it's a coincidence that it's in the frontal lobes. Dr. Glenmullen compares the effects of SSRIs, on the brain, to that of coccain, which he says most adequately mimics the action of SSRIs, on brain function. According to doctor Glenmullen, coccain constricts blood flow to the frontal lobes, as does SSRIs. I wonder exactly what that spot represents? The neurologist wants to do a PetScan, to check out the metabolic activity of my brain. Should be interesting.

I also asked him why the seemingly arbitrary 1 year time frame is quoted as the amount of time it takes for the brain to reset or heal. He said this is based on hard evidence, wherein, when the brain has suffered an injury, be it chemical or physical, it takes that long for the neural network to re-establish itself or re-grow. He said a year is the "opptimistic expectation." In reality, he stated 18 months was more accurate (Scott's link). By the way, I didn't prompt him with that number; that came directly from him. He said he always tells patients, with brain injury "you are far better off breaking a bone; it will heal in six weeks." Not so, with the brain.

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Old 04-11-2005, 03:16 PM   #2
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I'm sorry to hear about this "spot", Shea. Let's pray that it is nothing and don't get too worried about it. I know that this is easier said than done, but anyways, the only thing you can do, is try to relax and wait. I'm sure you're gonna have many, many people praying for you and sending you good energy.

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Shea,
I've been munging around on the web for a little while and I have found this one year period in several places as well as the cocaine reference.

A question. In The Edge Effect in the back which shows the images of brain scans, Dr. Braverman says, "The most reliable test of brain function is the Brain Activity Map." This was developed at Harvard in the 80s and measures the electrical activity of the brain - voltage, speed, rhythm, and synchrony.

Just curious, what does your neurologist think of this test and does he/she use it?
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Shea, try not to panic. I have never had an MRI. Right now if I had one it would probably show some abnormalities. The way our brains zap around, the dizzy spells, the lost thoughts, the vivid dreams....If the truth be known, all of us paxil users have probably got some new cracks and spots on our brains from this lovely drug.
Keep us posted, please.
You will stay in my thoughts and prayers.
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Shea, sorry to hear this. Try not to be frightened. My nephew, years ago went for testing because of headaches, he to has a spot. They check it every couple years, and he is fine. Life can be so difficult at times, but you will get through this.
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Re: There's a "spot" on my right frontal lobe.

Thanks everyone. I'm feeling pretty crappy about everything I've been through and what lies ahead. Thanks for the kind words.

Angels, I believe the Pet or SPECScan I'm set to have is similar to what Dr. Braverman uses to assess brain activity. My neurologist said if you are alive or dead, an MRI comes out the same, however the PetScan measures the metabolic activity of the brain, via "color images." I'm thinking this is what is in the back of Dr. Braverman's book. I guess I'm going to find out.

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Old 04-11-2005, 05:17 PM   #7
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Oh, my neurologist is Dr. Stephen O'hara. He's an affiliate of Cedar Sinai. He's very competent and all about healing, without drugs. I brought in the Paxil Progress report, detailing "Withdrawal Syndrome," and he asked if he could keep it, so he could read-up on the research information listed. He's a good doctor. They are out there. I'm so glad someone is listening, but I can't say I'm surprised it's in the field of neurology.

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Oh, my neurologist is Dr. Stephen O'hara. He's an affiliate of Cedar Sinai. He's very competent and all about healing, without drugs. I brought in the Paxil Progress report, detailing "Withdrawal Syndrome," and he asked if he could keep it, so he could read-up on the research information listed. He's a good doctor. They are out there. I'm so glad someone is listening, but I can't say I'm surprised it's in the field of neurology.
Shea - I'm not surprised it's in the field of neurologists.... Psychiatrists and FP's don't know enough about neurology and the brain, yet act and prescribe if they do. You can't drug a person for behaviours and/or emotional "disorders". That's not proven in science anyway. That's all based on theory.

After a thorough psysical check-up by the FP to rule out any physical illness, a person with any "mental ilness" should be referred to a neurologist for consultation and examination. If all is OK, then CBT, talk therapy or alternate treatments should be sought.

IMO, bio-psychiatry (meds) should be abolished or only administered when everything else fails and should be prescribed by neurologists only as a last resort, since these drugs act on the physcial (serotonergic) brain. The confusion about these meds is that they affect us on both the emotional/behavioural and physical level.

At least 50% of people diagnosed with depression and treated with AD's have a physical illness that caused the depression to begin with.

Ofcourse, this is my humble opinion in all of this.
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And your "humble opinion" is exactly right!!
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Old 04-11-2005, 08:58 PM   #10
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I'm doing my best not to worry. It's difficult. It's been one thing after another. Cysts, sore throat, sores in my mouth, swollen glands, asthmatic bronchitis, tachycardia, adrenal surges w/massive amounts of cortisol, whatever the thyroid thing is (which has subsided, to some extent, over the last week), a brain "spot." The ailments just keep on coming. I'm frightened. How does one come through this without getting cancer? This has been an all out, physical assault on my body, not to mention the emotional upheaval. It's very difficult to believe you can survive this. I know it's been done, but it's just so hard to believe it.

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Shea, don't you wish you had a "pre paxil" MRI!! Don't give up, don't place any expectations, just go with it and give it the time. The brain is an amazing organ with amazing healing powers. You'll get there!!
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Old 04-12-2005, 05:26 AM   #12
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Re: There's a "spot" on my right frontal lobe.

Shea

I'm relay sorryfor you..good you try to do the best to net be worry and nervous
So differents people reacts, Some are very sensitive ..I reacts with same symtom as you..I have bleeding from my mouth swollen toungh.and much more...Did you eat other medical when you was on paxil..?
I was eat kodein, one barbiturate.."kodeine-morfine.." thinking on the Interactions risks...I hope it's no serious, and you be health some day...I'm sure of it..
but the brain take time to heal..
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Dedde,

I took no other psychotropic drugs. Just Paxil. After Paxil is another issue entirely. I took Phenergan, Xanax/Valium to try to quell my symptoms of withdrawal.

Today I am very sick. Not sure why. Tryptophan? Benzo withdrawal? I am very nauseated and can't stop rocking back and forth. I've been to the bathroom more times than I can stand. I'm also twitching. Very bad.

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Oh, my neurologist is Dr. Stephen O'hara. He's an affiliate of Cedar Sinai. He's very competent and all about healing, without drugs. I brought in the Paxil Progress report, detailing "Withdrawal Syndrome," and he asked if he could keep it, so he could read-up on the research information listed. He's a good doctor. They are out there. I'm so glad someone is listening, but I can't say I'm surprised it's in the field of neurology.

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How cool is that -- A doctor that cares enough to incorporate your input into your treatment plan. Despite this being such a trying time Shea, I think it's great that you've found such a considerate and competent neurologist.

The news of a spot is scary, no doubt. To your credit, you sound like you're keeping it in perspective, acknowledging that an MRI is a static view of your brain, unlike the view afforded by a PETscan.

Keep us posted of with the results of the next test. And I hope this latest wave of discomfort passes soon. Hang in there ;-)
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shea..everytime i read your posts i just want to give you a big hug...I am sorry you are going through all this crap....but its good you are getting things checked out as well...the waiting for results is stressful..i know..i just went though it for some pregnancy tests...tests are an anxious persons worst nightmare..but ...there is always some relief in the end..no matter what the results are....I heard about the spots for migranes as well..I am sure everything is going to work out just fine...hang in there..

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I am very sick today. Your thoughts and prayers are greatly appreciated.
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Today I am very sick. Not sure why. Tryptophan? Benzo withdrawal? I am very nauseated and can't stop rocking back and forth. I've been to the bathroom more times than I can stand. I'm also twitching. Very bad.
Shea - I'm worried about you. Have you ever tried camomile tea to settle and calm down your tummy? Ginger or ginger tea might be of help to you for the nausea you are experiencing.

I know that you are worried about ingesting anything that might induce some awful reaction and don't blame you for that! These two products are harmless though.

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Drinking chamomile. A friend is with me, watching me.

Scott, I have akathisia. I can't stop rocking. Been this way since 3am. I don't understand. It went away months ago. Was I just surpressing Paxil akathisia? Is this my permanent brain damage coming out, now valium is out of my system? When I stop rocking back and forth, I twitch and jerk. If I make myself sit still, my skin crawls. I'm very afraid.

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Shea you poor thing!!! it took me a few days to come down after the 5htp thing. I know you feel like **** now but hang in there.
I second the camomile or ginger tea and maybe a warm bath? an epsom salt bath might help relax you and ease symptoms.

I have a favorite blanket i curl up with when things are bad. hope you have something to snuggle up with too. Heck....ive even had to curl up in the bathroom when its real bad. Just stay warm and comfortable and ride it out, friend.
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I just can't stop moving. The abdominal pain is severe. I cannot rest.
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Drinking chamomile. A friend is with me, watching me.

Scott, I have akathisia. I can't stop rocking. Been this way since 3am. I don't understand. It went away months ago. Was I just surpressing Paxil akathisia? Is this my permanent brain damage coming out, now valium is out of my system? When I stop rocking back and forth, I twitch and jerk. If I make myself sit still, my skin crawls. I'm very afraid.

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Shea - I'm glad you have a friend over to be with you. Your reaction seems to be tryptophan related, however it can also be the Paxil roller coaster thing that is sticking up its ugle head. Or even the benzo withdrawl.

This will be temporary Shea. Try to get as much fluid in your body as possible. Would a real nice hot home made chicken broth appeal to you?
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Only tea today. Nothing else will stick.
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Shea, how awful. This is scary? Is this something we all have to look forward too? OMG!!
Like Beverly said, rest is the best cure right now. Have your friend stay with you for a while atleast until you fall asleep. Put a warm cloth on your forehead and have her rub your tummy where it hurts. Is your husband coming in soon?
You don't need to be alone.
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I cannot sleep. It's just not possible. I'm sitting here, rocking back and forth at the computer, like a crazy person. It won't stop. I don't understand. I think it's the tryptophan AND benzo withdrawal. I didn't expect to see this again.

I cannot be alone. It's really bad.
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