Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions

cober6711 · 04-14-2005, 09:48 PM

Has anyone had a bad experience in one? Post a reply.

If you or someone you know has been in Youthdale, I would love to hear about their experience.

Suze · 04-14-2005, 09:59 PM

Hey again Liam. I bet if you introduced yourself, tell us a little of your story, BRAG about being 10 days drug free (yeah!!!!!) you'd have a better chance of getting some responses. Know what I mean?

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 10:04 PM

Talk to me Cober, what exactly are you asking? Please advise your problem and how old you are. Is Youthdale suggesting you commit yourself for their two week evaluation? You can pm me if you are not comfortable posting.

MizzT · 04-14-2005, 10:06 PM

Congratulations Cober!! on being med free! what a huge acomplishment!
sounds like it was a horrific experience at such a young age. Best of luck to you!!

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 10:09 PM

You do not have to wait until you turn eighteen, there is a service in toronto that advocate on behalf of youth under eighteen. You can contact "Justice For Children and Youth" for legal advice, which they will provide to you for free.

cober6711 · 04-14-2005, 10:15 PM

Tried that, and they say that they cannot help me. Although, I will give it a second try. I am already dealing with the CCHR.

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cober6711

I was in Youthdale (a kids psycho hospital) for 5 weeks at age 11, back in 1998. I was held against my will without being legally committed, which makes it illegal to detain and restrain me.

Sickening isn't it. I am so sorry to hear you went through this. They tried to get my daughter there as well at age 9. Real scary.

cober6711 · 04-14-2005, 10:18 PM

oh my, it sure is

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cober6711

Tried that, and they say that they cannot help me. Although, I will give it a second try. I am already dealing with the CCHR.

Did they give you a reason as to why?

cober6711 · 04-14-2005, 10:18 PM

Yes, but I cant remember why

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 10:23 PM

You said on another thread that you were involved with CCHR, why do you need to be 18, they should be able to help you out now. Who are you in contact with at CCHR?

cober6711 · 04-14-2005, 10:27 PM

I gave Ms. Hurry at the CCHR all my info, and we talk almost on a daily basis. They want my mother to come in and sign something in order for them to do things. I really don't mind waiting, it will give me time to hopefully find people who want to sue them, therefore making it a class-action, and therefore causing more damage to Youthdale.

I also urge those to call Ms. Hurry if you have ANY complaints about a Psychiactric hospital here in Toronto. Here is the contact info:

27 Carlton St
Suite 304
Toronto, Ontario
M5B 1L2

(416) 971-8555
officemanager@on.aibn.com

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 10:34 PM

I wish you luck, maybe bump the post up each day, you never know, maybe get someone else on board with you.

cober6711 · 04-14-2005, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdjanis

I wish you luck, maybe bump the post up each day, you never know, maybe get someone else on board with you.

Thats exactly what I intend to do

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 10:47 PM

Here is a suggestion, you only have a handful of people here from Canada, by all means bump it up, howver do not limit it here. Tons of message boards in toronto that include mental health for kids etc., spread your posts around.

cober6711 · 04-14-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdjanis

Here is a suggestion, you only have a handful of people here from Canada, by all means bump it up, howver do not limit it here. Tons of message boards in toronto that include mental health for kids etc., spread your posts around.

Do you know of any?

rdjanis · 04-14-2005, 11:03 PM

Do a google search, visit all the classifieds in Tor, post under health. Google kids chat in toronto etc.

Can I ask you something, who suggested at age 11 that you go to Youthdale for help? Was it a special education program? You do not have to answer if not comfortable.

Suze · 04-15-2005, 12:05 AM

Liam, sorry I couldn't stick around tonight. You're a brave kid to be doing this. Your experiences have no doubt helped to make you strong. way to go, and will hopefully catch you tomorrow.

cober6711 · 12-28-2005, 04:47 PM

I started legal proceedings against Youthdale on August 31, 2005, about a month after I turned 18. I have filed a claim for $10,000.00 in Small Claims Court. Youthdale's lawyer, Susan Adam Metzler, stated in her defence that the Mental Health Act does not apply.

I thought I was doomed.

Until....

I found the act that Youthdale ran under, which is the Child and Family Services Act.

I took a look at my records, and found out that the have violated a lot more than I thought they did. The following sections of the Child and Family Services Act were violated:

(Edited content due to possible misuse of information by the defense in this case- Scotty)

I still haven't seen a new defence from Ms. Metzler, as she seems to wait until the last minute to file a defence.

Well, the pre-trial conference comes up on January 3!

I can't wait to hear what they have to say!

rdjanis · 12-28-2005, 05:12 PM

Congrats!! It is about time someone goes after them. They work side by side with all the children's mental health programs in Toronto, parents need to speak up as well.

Very proud of you for going forth with this, sometimes these things are easier left behind, but then do not help the kids that are involved in the future.

Good luck to you!! Try and get this in the news if at all possible.

cober6711 · 12-28-2005, 05:14 PM

I'm still waiting to see if they're going to settle, but I will know for sure on January 3.

Apparently people have tried to sue them in the past, but Youthdale has that Susan Adam Metzler defending them, who apparently specializes in defending these crooks.

eileen · 12-28-2005, 05:27 PM

Hi Liam,
I would call all the newspapers, they would certainly like to hear your story. I think it is awful. If they give you a sum of money you might have to sign away your rights to talk about it. The Best of Luck to you. I'll come in every day and bump for you. There would probably be more people in here, but it is Holiday season. You will get lots of posting soon.
eileen

elisa · 12-28-2005, 05:50 PM

Liam, congratulations!!

It takes a lot of guts to take on a big institution, so you seem to be a very strong young man!!! Kudo's for that!!

Hopefully, you have lots of support? Make sure that if/when you settle that you don't sign away your right to talk!

Good luck and keep us posted please?

rdjanis · 12-28-2005, 05:53 PM

Elisa, this is only small claims court!! This is a shame that it turned out this way. Brain storming here as to who to call to get him help.... any suggestions?? I know of a lawyer here to call, but they are not allowed to proceed without money down.... there must be a way!

elisa · 12-28-2005, 06:25 PM

Small claims court? That didn't dawn on me... This case merits a Superior Court!! Wish I could come up with some ideas but sofar.... no clue.

There seems to be no justice here for the ones that need it the most. D*rn lawyers who require $$ PRIOR to taking on a case.

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04-14-2005, 09:48 PM	#1
cober6711 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 101	Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Has anyone had a bad experience in one? Post a reply. If you or someone you know has been in Youthdale, I would love to hear about their experience. __________________ Liam Walshe Previously on (at different times, of course!): Ritalin, Dexadrine, Paxil, Zyprexa, Zoloft, Risperdal, Tenex, Clonidine, Wellbutrin, Buspar, Neurontin and Concerta. Drug Free since April 1, 2005 Last edited by cober6711 : 04-15-2005 at 03:16 PM.

04-14-2005, 09:59 PM	#2
Suze Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,531	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Hey again Liam. I bet if you introduced yourself, tell us a little of your story, BRAG about being 10 days drug free (yeah!!!!!) you'd have a better chance of getting some responses. Know what I mean?

04-14-2005, 10:04 PM	#3
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Talk to me Cober, what exactly are you asking? Please advise your problem and how old you are. Is Youthdale suggesting you commit yourself for their two week evaluation? You can pm me if you are not comfortable posting. __________________ Rita

04-14-2005, 10:06 PM	#4
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Congratulations Cober!! on being med free! what a huge acomplishment! sounds like it was a horrific experience at such a young age. Best of luck to you!!

04-14-2005, 10:09 PM	#5
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions You do not have to wait until you turn eighteen, there is a service in toronto that advocate on behalf of youth under eighteen. You can contact "Justice For Children and Youth" for legal advice, which they will provide to you for free. __________________ Rita

04-14-2005, 10:15 PM	#6
cober6711 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 101	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Tried that, and they say that they cannot help me. Although, I will give it a second try. I am already dealing with the CCHR. __________________ Liam Walshe Previously on (at different times, of course!): Ritalin, Dexadrine, Paxil, Zyprexa, Zoloft, Risperdal, Tenex, Clonidine, Wellbutrin, Buspar, Neurontin and Concerta. Drug Free since April 1, 2005

04-14-2005, 10:18 PM	#8
cober6711 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 101	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions oh my, it sure is __________________ Liam Walshe Previously on (at different times, of course!): Ritalin, Dexadrine, Paxil, Zyprexa, Zoloft, Risperdal, Tenex, Clonidine, Wellbutrin, Buspar, Neurontin and Concerta. Drug Free since April 1, 2005

04-14-2005, 10:23 PM	#11
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions You said on another thread that you were involved with CCHR, why do you need to be 18, they should be able to help you out now. Who are you in contact with at CCHR? __________________ Rita

04-14-2005, 10:27 PM	#12
cober6711 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 101	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions I gave Ms. Hurry at the CCHR all my info, and we talk almost on a daily basis. They want my mother to come in and sign something in order for them to do things. I really don't mind waiting, it will give me time to hopefully find people who want to sue them, therefore making it a class-action, and therefore causing more damage to Youthdale. I also urge those to call Ms. Hurry if you have ANY complaints about a Psychiactric hospital here in Toronto. Here is the contact info: 27 Carlton St Suite 304 Toronto, Ontario M5B 1L2 (416) 971-8555 officemanager@on.aibn.com __________________ Liam Walshe Previously on (at different times, of course!): Ritalin, Dexadrine, Paxil, Zyprexa, Zoloft, Risperdal, Tenex, Clonidine, Wellbutrin, Buspar, Neurontin and Concerta. Drug Free since April 1, 2005 Last edited by cober6711 : 04-14-2005 at 10:34 PM.

04-14-2005, 10:34 PM	#13
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions I wish you luck, maybe bump the post up each day, you never know, maybe get someone else on board with you. __________________ Rita

04-14-2005, 10:47 PM	#15
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Here is a suggestion, you only have a handful of people here from Canada, by all means bump it up, howver do not limit it here. Tons of message boards in toronto that include mental health for kids etc., spread your posts around. __________________ Rita

04-14-2005, 11:03 PM	#17
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Do a google search, visit all the classifieds in Tor, post under health. Google kids chat in toronto etc. Can I ask you something, who suggested at age 11 that you go to Youthdale for help? Was it a special education program? You do not have to answer if not comfortable. __________________ Rita

04-15-2005, 12:05 AM	#18
Suze Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,531	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Liam, sorry I couldn't stick around tonight. You're a brave kid to be doing this. Your experiences have no doubt helped to make you strong. way to go, and will hopefully catch you tomorrow.

12-28-2005, 04:47 PM	#19
cober6711 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 101	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions I started legal proceedings against Youthdale on August 31, 2005, about a month after I turned 18. I have filed a claim for $10,000.00 in Small Claims Court. Youthdale's lawyer, Susan Adam Metzler, stated in her defence that the Mental Health Act does not apply. I thought I was doomed. Until.... I found the act that Youthdale ran under, which is the Child and Family Services Act. I took a look at my records, and found out that the have violated a lot more than I thought they did. The following sections of the Child and Family Services Act were violated: (Edited content due to possible misuse of information by the defense in this case- Scotty) I still haven't seen a new defence from Ms. Metzler, as she seems to wait until the last minute to file a defence. Well, the pre-trial conference comes up on January 3! I can't wait to hear what they have to say! __________________ Liam Walshe Previously on (at different times, of course!): Ritalin, Dexadrine, Paxil, Zyprexa, Zoloft, Risperdal, Tenex, Clonidine, Wellbutrin, Buspar, Neurontin and Concerta. Drug Free since April 1, 2005 Last edited by scotty : 12-28-2005 at 08:09 PM.

12-28-2005, 05:12 PM	#20
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Congrats!! It is about time someone goes after them. They work side by side with all the children's mental health programs in Toronto, parents need to speak up as well. Very proud of you for going forth with this, sometimes these things are easier left behind, but then do not help the kids that are involved in the future. Good luck to you!! Try and get this in the news if at all possible. __________________ Rita

12-28-2005, 05:14 PM	#21
cober6711 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 101	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions I'm still waiting to see if they're going to settle, but I will know for sure on January 3. Apparently people have tried to sue them in the past, but Youthdale has that Susan Adam Metzler defending them, who apparently specializes in defending these crooks. __________________ Liam Walshe Previously on (at different times, of course!): Ritalin, Dexadrine, Paxil, Zyprexa, Zoloft, Risperdal, Tenex, Clonidine, Wellbutrin, Buspar, Neurontin and Concerta. Drug Free since April 1, 2005

12-28-2005, 05:27 PM	#22
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,422	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Hi Liam, I would call all the newspapers, they would certainly like to hear your story. I think it is awful. If they give you a sum of money you might have to sign away your rights to talk about it. The Best of Luck to you. I'll come in every day and bump for you. There would probably be more people in here, but it is Holiday season. You will get lots of posting soon. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

12-28-2005, 05:50 PM	#23
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,509	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Liam, congratulations!! It takes a lot of guts to take on a big institution, so you seem to be a very strong young man!!! Kudo's for that!! Hopefully, you have lots of support? Make sure that if/when you settle that you don't sign away your right to talk! Good luck and keep us posted please? __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

12-28-2005, 05:53 PM	#24
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Elisa, this is only small claims court!! This is a shame that it turned out this way. Brain storming here as to who to call to get him help.... any suggestions?? I know of a lawyer here to call, but they are not allowed to proceed without money down.... there must be a way! __________________ Rita

12-28-2005, 06:25 PM	#25
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,509	Re: Youthdales/Psychiactric Institutions Small claims court? That didn't dawn on me... This case merits a Superior Court!! Wish I could come up with some ideas but sofar.... no clue. There seems to be no justice here for the ones that need it the most. D*rn lawyers who require $$ PRIOR to taking on a case. __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

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