The Miracle Of Magnesium - Page 3

Katesmom · 08-29-2006, 12:35 PM

I don't know about the second question, but there's no reason not to start taking it now.

LCrawford67 · 08-29-2006, 12:51 PM

Thanks, Kim! I think I'll start out on a low 250 mg dose. I've heard it can cause some bowel trouble...that's the last thing is need! After all, wouldn't Milk of Magnesia have mag in it??

Amaya's Nana · 08-29-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcrawford67

Thanks, Kim! I think I'll start out on a low 250 mg dose. I've heard it can cause some bowel trouble...that's the last thing is need! After all, wouldn't Milk of Magnesia have mag in it??

Yes, it does and that's what makes you go boo boo

hairybear · 09-03-2006, 03:29 PM

here is a little something I found on pubmed. Mg appears to be useful in reducing anxiety or depression disorders.

Neuropharmacology. 2004 Dec;47(8 ):1189-97
Magnesium-deficient diet alters depression- and anxiety-related behavior in mice--influence of desipramine and Hypericum perforatum extract.
Singewald N, Sinner C, Hetzenauer A, Sartori SB, Murck H.
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Institute of Pharmacy and CMBI, Leopold-Franzens-University of Innsbruck, Peter-Mayr-Str. 1, A-6020 Innsbruck, Austria.

A relation between magnesium (Mg) status and mood disorders has been suggested, but evidence remains inconsistent. Therefore, we examined in mice whether Mg-depletion would alter behavior evaluated in established animal models of depression and anxiety and whether these effects would be sensitive to antidepressants. Compared to control mice fed with normal diet, mice receiving a low Mg diet (10% of daily requirement) for several weeks displayed increased immobility time in the forced swim test, indicating enhanced depression-like behavior. In addition, the partial Mg-depletion increased anxiety-related behavior in the light/dark and open field test, while locomotor activity or motor coordination was not influenced. Chronic oral administration of desipramine (30 mg/kg/day), or Hypericum extract LI160 (Hyp, 380 mg/kg/day) prevented the "pro-depression-like" forced swim behavior in Mg-depleted mice. Furthermore, the increase in anxiety-related behavior of Mg-depleted mice was abolished in both the open field and light dark test by Hyp. Taken together, we report that Mg-depletion leads to enhanced depression- and anxiety-related behavior in mice, which was further validated by the reversibility of the behavioral changes by known antidepressant and anxiolytic substances. Further, the utility of Mg-depletion as a new screening model for clinically active antidepressant and anxiolytic drugs is suggested.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_DocSu m

LCrawford67 · 09-03-2006, 03:34 PM

That is absolutely correct! If you look at the supplements page, we really advocate the use of supplements, such as mag, omega 3...etc, instead of drugs. There are several members who have successfully tapered off SSRIs and are finding great relief with these supplements. I know it's what I intend on doing.

paxilgirl · 09-03-2006, 10:47 PM

Laurie, there is no reason why you shouldn't take mag now....start with the lowest dose possible and see how it sits with you after a couple of weeks....if you have no bowel trouble, work your way up until you've reached bowel tolerance...I'm up to 600mgs a day....not everday but I try my best....it has immensely helped during my WD from Paxhell....

More2MeThanOCD · 09-06-2006, 02:54 PM

I have to say this stuff stops my w/dr symptoms in their tracks! I have only been on it under a week, and it causes major indigestion for me, but it is stopping the paxil w/dr and helps me sleep so I'll take it! I found an ionic liquid form that is awesome.

More2MeThanOCD · 10-17-2006, 06:15 PM

I have to add that the indigestion stopped weeks ago and it continues to be of huge benefit to me!

eileen · 10-18-2006, 08:19 AM

I'm off to the Health Food Star this afternoon to get some magnesium citrate, maybe I will be able to tolerate it more easily.

eileen

annielu · 11-28-2006, 05:54 PM

I saw a nutritionist today and she suggested I take magnesium but I forgot to ask how much. Any one know ?

More2MeThanOCD · 11-28-2006, 07:58 PM

400mg or if you are using liquid 4 ml. I would start lower though and work your way up. Mag has been known to cause indigestion.

Scott · 11-28-2006, 10:13 PM

make sure you get an absorbable kind, not the oxide that is everywhere because it's cheapest. I use citrate but i also heard glycinate is good.

eileen · 11-29-2006, 04:20 AM

I found the liquid form and found it more tolerable. It is mixed with calcium and vitamin D.
eileen

Cayte · 11-29-2006, 02:52 PM

omega 3 and fish oils..same thing??? its the EPA thats important isn't it?? Need to read labels as some quite low in that.
Take fish oils and mag..don't really want to add another?
Catherine

bizeboy · 12-09-2006, 09:51 PM

Lots of good info on this forum. 1st I've heard about magnesium related to depression, anxiety, etc. I am going to get the book.

elisa · 12-21-2006, 07:05 PM

Thanks for sharing Alto!! Excellent info!!

bizeboy · 12-21-2006, 09:32 PM

Alto- thank you for that info. It is encouraging to know that there is somthing other than Rx that can help with anxiety and depression. My problem is mostly anxiety. I am taking 150mg of Effexor currently. I hate it but it's better than being panic and depressed (still have slight issues). It is interesting to know how magnesium affects the neurons. I also drink alot of milk (1qt/day) which could mean I need more magnesium since calcium and mag offset each other.

Samalabear · 12-31-2006, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott

make sure you get an absorbable kind, not the oxide that is everywhere because it's cheapest. I use citrate but i also heard glycinate is good.

This may be my problem. My calcium-magnesium-zinc with D formula is oxide. I'm going to find citrate and follow the recommendations for dose here. The last two months may have been really bad, but the last two weeks especially, especially when it comes to being able to concentrate on work.

08-29-2006, 12:35 PM	#51
Katesmom Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 13,812	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium I don't know about the second question, but there's no reason not to start taking it now. __________________ Katesmom aka Kim started Paxil Oct. 2003 for PIH Paxil free since 19 Jul 2005 ". . .the cruelest lies are often told without a word. . .the kindest truths are often spoken, never heard." -- Ben Folds

08-29-2006, 12:51 PM	#52
LCrawford67 Moderator "Everybody poops" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 34,484	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium Thanks, Kim! I think I'll start out on a low 250 mg dose. I've heard it can cause some bowel trouble...that's the last thing is need! After all, wouldn't Milk of Magnesia have mag in it?? __________________ aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 Today is the best day, EVER!

09-03-2006, 03:29 PM	#54
hairybear Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium here is a little something I found on pubmed. Mg appears to be useful in reducing anxiety or depression disorders. Neuropharmacology. 2004 Dec;47(8 ):1189-97 Magnesium-deficient diet alters depression- and anxiety-related behavior in mice--influence of desipramine and Hypericum perforatum extract. Singewald N, Sinner C, Hetzenauer A, Sartori SB, Murck H. Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Institute of Pharmacy and CMBI, Leopold-Franzens-University of Innsbruck, Peter-Mayr-Str. 1, A-6020 Innsbruck, Austria. A relation between magnesium (Mg) status and mood disorders has been suggested, but evidence remains inconsistent. Therefore, we examined in mice whether Mg-depletion would alter behavior evaluated in established animal models of depression and anxiety and whether these effects would be sensitive to antidepressants. Compared to control mice fed with normal diet, mice receiving a low Mg diet (10% of daily requirement) for several weeks displayed increased immobility time in the forced swim test, indicating enhanced depression-like behavior. In addition, the partial Mg-depletion increased anxiety-related behavior in the light/dark and open field test, while locomotor activity or motor coordination was not influenced. Chronic oral administration of desipramine (30 mg/kg/day), or Hypericum extract LI160 (Hyp, 380 mg/kg/day) prevented the "pro-depression-like" forced swim behavior in Mg-depleted mice. Furthermore, the increase in anxiety-related behavior of Mg-depleted mice was abolished in both the open field and light dark test by Hyp. Taken together, we report that Mg-depletion leads to enhanced depression- and anxiety-related behavior in mice, which was further validated by the reversibility of the behavioral changes by known antidepressant and anxiolytic substances. Further, the utility of Mg-depletion as a new screening model for clinically active antidepressant and anxiolytic drugs is suggested. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...ubmed_DocSu m

09-03-2006, 03:34 PM	#55
LCrawford67 Moderator "Everybody poops" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 34,484	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium That is absolutely correct! If you look at the supplements page, we really advocate the use of supplements, such as mag, omega 3...etc, instead of drugs. There are several members who have successfully tapered off SSRIs and are finding great relief with these supplements. I know it's what I intend on doing. __________________ aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 Today is the best day, EVER!

09-03-2006, 10:47 PM	#57
paxilgirl "Stinks of lavender" Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 12,220	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium Laurie, there is no reason why you shouldn't take mag now....start with the lowest dose possible and see how it sits with you after a couple of weeks....if you have no bowel trouble, work your way up until you've reached bowel tolerance...I'm up to 600mgs a day....not everday but I try my best....it has immensely helped during my WD from Paxhell.... __________________ Paxilgirl Put on Paxil for situational depression in August 2003. Was also on .5 mg of Clonozapem. Started on 10mg and increased to 30mg. Weaned off during the summer of 2004. Became PAXIL FREE October 4, 2004. Completely recovered!!! When you stop learning, you start dying.

09-06-2006, 02:54 PM	#58
More2MeThanOCD Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 462	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium I have to say this stuff stops my w/dr symptoms in their tracks! I have only been on it under a week, and it causes major indigestion for me, but it is stopping the paxil w/dr and helps me sleep so I'll take it! I found an ionic liquid form that is awesome. __________________ 20 mg pxl '02-'06 for OCD, panic and depress 20 to 15 8/31/06 15 to 12.5 9/13 12.5 to 10 10/24 10 to 7.5 on 11/5 7.5 to 5 on 12/3 5 to 3 on 12/19 3 to 2/2.5 12/24 1/1/07- Pax free 8/1/08- Crash & burn 8/6- Celexa- didn't work, panic worse 8/16- Back on 20 mg Pax some Klon 8/29/07-day when vicious attacks subsided and I ate again. 9/10/08- Been back on Pax for a year and A&D have been fine. Not happy to take pills, but happy to be healthy again.

10-17-2006, 06:15 PM	#59
More2MeThanOCD Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 462	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium I have to add that the indigestion stopped weeks ago and it continues to be of huge benefit to me! __________________ 20 mg pxl '02-'06 for OCD, panic and depress 20 to 15 8/31/06 15 to 12.5 9/13 12.5 to 10 10/24 10 to 7.5 on 11/5 7.5 to 5 on 12/3 5 to 3 on 12/19 3 to 2/2.5 12/24 1/1/07- Pax free 8/1/08- Crash & burn 8/6- Celexa- didn't work, panic worse 8/16- Back on 20 mg Pax some Klon 8/29/07-day when vicious attacks subsided and I ate again. 9/10/08- Been back on Pax for a year and A&D have been fine. Not happy to take pills, but happy to be healthy again.

10-18-2006, 08:19 AM	#60
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,524	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium I'm off to the Health Food Star this afternoon to get some magnesium citrate, maybe I will be able to tolerate it more easily. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. 4/10 Weaning Benzo. 12/11 Benzo Free! Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

11-28-2006, 05:54 PM	#61
annielu Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium I saw a nutritionist today and she suggested I take magnesium but I forgot to ask how much. Any one know ?

11-28-2006, 07:58 PM	#62
More2MeThanOCD Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 462	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium 400mg or if you are using liquid 4 ml. I would start lower though and work your way up. Mag has been known to cause indigestion. __________________ 20 mg pxl '02-'06 for OCD, panic and depress 20 to 15 8/31/06 15 to 12.5 9/13 12.5 to 10 10/24 10 to 7.5 on 11/5 7.5 to 5 on 12/3 5 to 3 on 12/19 3 to 2/2.5 12/24 1/1/07- Pax free 8/1/08- Crash & burn 8/6- Celexa- didn't work, panic worse 8/16- Back on 20 mg Pax some Klon 8/29/07-day when vicious attacks subsided and I ate again. 9/10/08- Been back on Pax for a year and A&D have been fine. Not happy to take pills, but happy to be healthy again.

11-28-2006, 10:13 PM	#63
Scott Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: somewhere in between Posts: 11,591	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium make sure you get an absorbable kind, not the oxide that is everywhere because it's cheapest. I use citrate but i also heard glycinate is good. __________________ Scott aka Scott What has happened to it all? Crazy, some are saying Where is the life that I recognize? Gone away But I won't cry for yesterday There's an ordinary world Somehow I have to find And as I try to make my way To the ordinary world I will learn to survive surviving an ssri reaction alternative anxiety treatments

11-29-2006, 04:20 AM	#64
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,524	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium I found the liquid form and found it more tolerable. It is mixed with calcium and vitamin D. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. 4/10 Weaning Benzo. 12/11 Benzo Free! Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

11-29-2006, 02:52 PM	#65
Cayte Paxilprogress Artist! Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,543	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium omega 3 and fish oils..same thing??? its the EPA thats important isn't it?? Need to read labels as some quite low in that. Take fish oils and mag..don't really want to add another? Catherine __________________ 20 years of Antidepressants since summer 1990... Benzos ( a lifetime.....) 12 years of Paxil....Quick taper from Aug-Nov 2006. OFF BENZOS !!! LEARNING TO FLY..........

12-09-2006, 09:51 PM	#67
bizeboy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern IL Posts: 6	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium Lots of good info on this forum. 1st I've heard about magnesium related to depression, anxiety, etc. I am going to get the book. __________________ Anxiety, Panic, Depression: 150mg Effexor-R 6/06 to date 20mg Lexapro 1/06 to 6/06 20mg Paxil 10/03 - 1/06 Prozac 1988-1990

12-21-2006, 07:05 PM	#72
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,473	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium Thanks for sharing Alto!! Excellent info!! __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

12-21-2006, 09:32 PM	#73
bizeboy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern IL Posts: 6	Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium Alto- thank you for that info. It is encouraging to know that there is somthing other than Rx that can help with anxiety and depression. My problem is mostly anxiety. I am taking 150mg of Effexor currently. I hate it but it's better than being panic and depressed (still have slight issues). It is interesting to know how magnesium affects the neurons. I also drink alot of milk (1qt/day) which could mean I need more magnesium since calcium and mag offset each other. __________________ Anxiety, Panic, Depression: 150mg Effexor-R 6/06 to date 20mg Lexapro 1/06 to 6/06 20mg Paxil 10/03 - 1/06 Prozac 1988-1990

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