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Old 11-20-2008, 05:58 PM   #126
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Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium

i took 400mg a while ago. i figured that by taking it during nighttime would help me with the sleep. i feel a little funny though. I started with the 400mg.
i'll try 200mg tomorrow. Should i still take it with the last meal.(NIGHT)
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Old 02-18-2009, 05:50 PM   #127
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Wrong Magnesium Solution? Help...

Hi.
I'm paxil-free since 1 1/2 year.
I'm still on lexapro against panic attacks and anxiety.
Shorthly, I'm having a very bad time again but I've learned my lesson well
and I won't go on any psychs drugs anymore, I don't want!
I've got st. Jonh's Worth prescribbed, but I am sceptic and I am not taking it.

I took a look here and found out about Magnesium.

I've asked a Magnesium prescription to my doc as alternative remedy
and I've been given MAGNESIUM ASPARTATE SOLUTION (300 g).

Now I've been wondering if it's the kind of Magnesium we're talking of here.
I've found this out this here ( http://george-eby-research.com/html/...n-anxiety.html )

"I have major PRECAUTIONS at this internal link concerning potentially harmful magnesium compounds and at this internal link concerning ineffective compounds of magnesium for treating depression. For brevity and simplicity: (a) magnesium oxide and magnesium hydroxide are ineffective and (b) magnesium glutamate and magnesium aspartate are always harmful to depressives"

Now, I am completely confused.
I am taking it since a week and I wonder if I'm on something wrong again.
Please, what can you suggest?

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Old 02-18-2009, 06:02 PM   #128
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Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium

Well, my first thing is, you should never take St. John's Wort while taking an SSRI. They both effect serotonin and taking both at the same time, can be very harmful.

I'm not sure who this person is writing the information you linked to but my first question would be, "where's the proof it's harmful to depressives?" I don't know anything about magnesium aspartate and if you read this thread, you'll discover what most folks here use, BUT....unless this person explains exactly why this type of magnesium is "always harmful" to depressives and provides proof, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Old 02-18-2009, 06:35 PM   #129
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Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium

Sorry! I am not on Lexapro, (wrong name) but on Lexotan (a benzo. I don't know what's the respective in Usa, I'm not from Usa).

But the question is: how many kind of Magnesium are there?
is there a good one and a bad one for us?
Probably my doc haven't get the point of my request of mag and never will.
(he's on psych drug or not informed).

You were always and only helpful to me. Thank you.
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Old 03-29-2009, 05:14 AM   #130
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Neat to see this thread here... I've done a lot of reading about magnesium and take a supplement of it regulary.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:17 PM   #131
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Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium

I started taking Magnesium and I think it's helping with my toe pain but the last two days I figured (hey I'll take 2) (that's 500mg +100 in my multi)....

taking too much magnesium causes diahrea....just thought I'd pass that along...I'll be just taking the multi for now...lol
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:42 AM   #132
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Hello all.

I'm in Lexapro withdrawal and have a question about Magnesium and Calcium.

I've just started taking Magnesium citrate 100mg at night to get used to it. However, I eat very little dairy products and would guess I dont get much calcium. I also dont take a multivitamin due to confusion about b-vitamins and withdrawal.

Should I take a calcium supplement at a different time from the magnesium? Will it help its effects?
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:44 AM   #133
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The should be taken at different time. Calcium can actually block the absorption of magnesium.
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Old 09-09-2009, 11:49 AM   #134
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The should be taken at different time. Calcium can actually block the absorption of magnesium.
ha! you're the first person beside me and one other I've seen say that!!

it's true and they're always putting them together in supps
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Old 10-01-2009, 10:50 AM   #135
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The thing is, do I really need to take a calcium supplement? I know they affect your magnesium levels and I do have small amounts of dairy in the form of milk or cheese occasionally.
I want the calming effects from magnesium so while I'm tapering I'm thinking of going easy on calcium.

Also, I recently ordered some Magnesium Malate, as Magnesium Glycinate is hard to get hold of in the UK. Is that any good? I see on ebay theres a magnesium glycinate/lysinate chelate, but it's very expensive. I can get citrate easily and it's been very helpful so far, although can cause me to use the toilet a lot.

I much appreciate all your help.
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Old 10-01-2009, 04:06 PM   #136
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The should be taken at different time. Calcium can actually block the absorption of magnesium.
So I guess by taking my magnesium with a glass a milk I'm negating any benefit of it?
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Also, I recently ordered some Magnesium Malate, as Magnesium Glycinate is hard to get hold of in the UK. Is that any good? I see on ebay theres a magnesium glycinate/lysinate chelate, but it's very expensive. I can get citrate easily and it's been very helpful so far, although can cause me to use the toilet a lot.
I can't tolerate oral magnesium in any form (that's rare, but it happens!), but I have tried magnesium malate, and am very familiar with it because I first tried it for my fibromyalgia (aka ME). It's chelated to malic acid, which is derived from fruits like apples and which helps some people with muscle pain.

But magnesium malate is supposed to be one of the more readily utilized forms of magnesium, like the citrate and glycinate chelates, so it should be a good source of magnesium whether you need anything for muscle pain or not!

All magnesium products have laxative properties, but with the more readily utilizable chelates you should get more effect from the magnesium than from sources like magnesium oxide, which is the most common (and not surprisingly the cheapest!), but which is not well utilized by the body at all.

As for the laxative properties of magnesium itself, you can't avoid that - it's the nature of magnesium - but it's a good idea to start with a very low dose and increase dose very gradually as you see how you do on it. When the laxative properties are a problem, cut back to the previous dose and see if you can tolerate that.

Magnesium glycinate is relatively uncommon, but some people (like Amaya's Nana, who doesn't post here as much as she used to) find it works best for them. I suspect that might mean that their bodies need the extra glycine, the amino acid in that particular chelate.
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Old 10-02-2009, 06:28 AM   #138
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Thanks for the info

My Malate arrived today so I'll see how it compares to the Citrate. I can tolerate the laxative properties, I've found that about 400-500mg is the most I can tolerate. In one way, it's kinda helpful as Lexapro seems to make me constipated
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Re: The Miracle Of Magnesium

I use Magnesium AEP with aspartate, arginate and citrate.

What is AEP?

Also, I take calcium tablets 800 mg mixed with 200 mg magnesium, as calcium carbonate with magnesium salts of vegetable acids. What is it? Is it good?

I know SSRIs drain the body of calcium, and magnesium so we need to supplement both to correct the deficit. I found magnesium helps with my eye problems: eye pressure. And also calcium helps, it's effects become stronger when I mix both calcium and magnesium I have seen.
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Old 10-15-2009, 02:54 AM   #140
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I know the answer is in here somewhere but it is time I was in bed
What sort of magnesium is best???
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:37 AM   #141
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I've had great luck with magnesium citrate.
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I have found Magnesium Malate to be a bit better than Citrate, it seems easier on the stomach. This could be the placebo effect though, as it's in a fnacier bottle and cost more.

Has anyone tried epsom salt baths to obtain magnesium? I have heard they are very relaxing and good for pain.
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Epsom salt baths rule! They're great after hockey games and long motorcycle rides.
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I could do with one right now, my body aches soooooo much, I feel like an old man. Cant wait for my epsom salts to arrive through the post, for some reason it's not available in shops in the UK. But 'dead sea' salts are.
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While waiting for the epsom salts, you might want to try soaking in Dead Sea salt baths - they're quite high in magnesium, and also contain other beneficial minerals.

I bought some a while back and have to admit haven't tried them yet (usually takes all my energy to take a shower!) so can't report on my own experience with them yet, but they're supposed to be excellent. (In fact, it was my doctor who suggested I mix sea salts with epsom salts in soaks.)
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I tried the epsom salts in the end and they were ok but nothing great. I'm thinking I maybe didnt use enough, it was a 500g bag, maybe equivalent to 2 cups?
Have ordered the dead sea salts now so will see if they're much better. Next experiment will be combining the two. I read somewhere that mixing baking soda with epsom salts is good?
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Two cups should normally be plenty, and don't overdose on it - you could get diarrhea even from absorbing too much dermally from what I've read.

Epsom salt baths give relief for some symptoms, such as muscle strains from exercise, immediately for most people, but that's only temporary symptomatic relief. If you're using the epsom salts to get therapeutic results from magnesium, as with taking magnesium orally it can take four weeks or longer to get full beneficial results. Be sure to soak at least 12 minutes, up to about 20 minutes. (Longer you could absorb too much, which can actually be toxic!) The water should be warm but not hot.

One needs to give it 4-6 weeks to really evaluate results (soaking 2-3 times a week, I think). If you don't feel any difference after at least that long, remember that magnesium can help many things but not everything. And be sure you're getting enough calcium too - not too much, but a sufficient amount (different people need different proportions of calcium/magnesium). Calcium and magnesium work synergistically in the body even though it's advised that one take supplements of them separately to enhance absorption of each.

Mixing baking soda with epsom salts is usually done to reduce skin irritation from epsom salts (baking soda baths alone are good for relief of skin irritations such as rash and itching). It may help other things too; I've just used it for skin irritations and it really helps, at least for a time. (Epsom salts don't cause skin irritations in most people, but it can if one's skin is sensitive - that's a problem I've developed in recent years, though I used to take epsom salt baths nightly when I was younger with no problem.)
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I am taking calcium magnesium with added vitmin D. Is this the right stuff?
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I am taking calcium magnesium with added vitmin D. Is this the right stuff?
You want magnesium all by itself. Calcium will decrease the magnesium absorption.
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I'm not sure who this person is writing the information you linked to but my first question would be, "where's the proof it's harmful to depressives?" I don't know anything about magnesium aspartate and if you read this thread, you'll discover what most folks here use, BUT....unless this person explains exactly why this type of magnesium is "always harmful" to depressives and provides proof, I wouldn't worry about it.
I don't know about 'always harmful' but I believe glutamate and aspartate are best avoided, especially in w/d, as they work as neurotransmitters in the brain and are stimulating to the nervous system.

From Wikipedia: "Aspartate (the conjugate base of aspartic acid) stimulates NMDA receptors, though not as strongly as the amino acid neurotransmitter glutamate does. It serves as an excitatory neurotransmitter in the brain and is an excitotoxin."

They are also found in food additives such as MSG (monosodium glutamate) and Nutrasweet (aspartame).
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