B6 supplement - Page 2

dar7726 · 08-21-2005, 05:21 AM

I guess it's subjective as to if it's helping or not...But I have the CD's from Mercola called "Insight" and "Focus"...All you hear is a rain sound. But I put them both on everyday. Insight I listen about 15 mins at least while saying affirmations. The Focus one I listen to while I'm on the computer. Suppose to help with concentration.

Darlene

feelin'_wiggy · 08-21-2005, 12:26 PM

Thanks for the replies. I guess I just have to give myself more time because I am doing the right things. Zapp, I love crosswords. I also have a computer Scrabble game that I play each day to re-train my mind. That's frustrating, too, because I used to be a Scrabble whiz. It's much harder now.

The CD's sound promising. Music has a powerful impact on my mood. When I meditate, I put on the "Soundscapes" channel, New Age music. Yesterday when I was so frustrated with my sewing, I thought I should get up an turn on that music. But I was in a snit and didn't do it.

The actual sewing isn't difficult, but figuring the measurements is so hard. I used to do this so easily in my head. The good news is that I got one drapery panel finished, and it's beautiful, silk with a contrasting border. Both face fabrics and the lining were cut to the exact dimensions, but my brain hurt afterward.

Thanks again for the encouragement. I consider myself fortunate because it could be much worse. I just have to slow down. What a great lesson in patience.

deeeelle · 08-21-2005, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dar7726

I guess it's subjective as to if it's helping or not...But I have the CD's from Mercola called "Insight" and "Focus"...All you hear is a rain sound. But I put them both on everyday. Insight I listen about 15 mins at least while saying affirmations. The Focus one I listen to while I'm on the computer. Suppose to help with concentration.

Darlene

I use the Insight CD too. My massage therapist got me started on Holosync, but it quickly became clear that this program was too expensive for me. It has multiple levels that get very pricey as you move up from the first one. Honestly, the Mercola CD seems to work just as well for me. I often fall asleep while listening to it. When I don't, I still feel as if I've taken a nice nap.

feelin'_wiggy · 08-21-2005, 02:44 PM

I will definitely check out the Mercola CD's.

dar7726 · 08-24-2005, 09:12 AM

Just messin around today and found this in my favorites, it's a bit different than the one I already posted:

B6 (pyridoxine)

Involved in serotonin and/or norepinephrine synthesis.
Involved in the synthesis of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA).
Deficiency symptoms include irritability, depression, and confusion.
This vitamin aids in the processing of amino acids, which are the building blocks of all proteins and some hormones. It is needed in the manufacture of serotonin, melatonin and dopamine. Vitamin B6 deficiencies, although very rare, cause impaired immunity, skin lesions, and mental confusion. A marginal deficiency sometimes occurs in alcoholics, patients with kidney failure, and women using oral contraceptives. MAOIs, ironically, may also lead to a shortage of this vitamin. Many nutritionally oriented doctors believe that most diets do not provide optimal amounts of this vitamin.

Zoloftfree · 09-01-2005, 10:34 AM

hi zapalinna!
i can only offer my experience, so please know that this might not be across the board. my body is extremely sensitive to b vitamins ever since withdrawal. b vitamains increase my anxiety. i did some research on this and found that b vitamins are "stimulants" to the cental nervous system and can actually increase anxiety in some people! some people in withdrawal find that vitamin b can increase anxiety so please proceed with caution.

zappelina · 09-01-2005, 11:02 AM

So far I have reacted badly to all vitamins and supplements I have tried except this on, the B6. Took it for a few days but didn´t notice any benefits either so I have stopped it. Interesting about the deficiency symptoms, dar! When I googled a bit I found that deficiency and toxicity symptoms for B6 are the same (as with many other B vitamins).

dar7726 · 10-28-2005, 07:14 AM

Zapp, I found this the other day and it made me remember this thread. So I'm posting here. Hope this helps. It's from the thread in the misc forum called Article for Gary Null or something like that. Anyway here it is.

The Great British vitamin scandal
The most promising nutrients to date are vitamins B3, B12 and folic acid, then vitamin B6, zinc and magnesium and essential fatty acids (EFAs). The first three are involved in the vital biochemical process known as methylation, which is critical for balancing the neurotransmitters dopamine and adrenalin.

Research on folic acid have shown improvement in both depression and schizophrenia. Giving those with borderline or low folate status 15mg a day alongside standard psychotropic treatment significantly improved clinical and social recovery in patients with depression and schizophrenia in a double-blind controlled trial at Kings College Hospital and the Department of Psychiatry(1).

Vitamin B6 and zinc work together. In fact vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) does nothing in the body until it is converted into pyridoxal phosphate, this conversion depending on adequate zinc levels. About one third of the psychiatric population show the excessive excretion of ‘kryptopyrroles’ in the urine, the formation of which robs the body of B6 and zinc. Giving more of these nutrients corrects this biochemical abnormality and the associated symptoms of depression, anxiety, poor socialisation and ability to cope with stress (5). Giving vitamin C or EFAs also enhances recovery.

But don’t we get enough of these nutrients from a well balanced diet? Comparison of the average daily intakes of these nutrients, as calculated by MAFF’s National Food Survey, with the current EC Recommended Daily Allowances (known in nutritional circles as the Ridiculous Dietary Arbitraries) reveals a scale of nutritional deficit few health professionals have taken on board

http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...ad.php?t=14355

zappelina · 10-28-2005, 08:15 AM

Hi Darlene! Thanks for thinking of me. I did try the B6 for a few days some time ago. First I didn´t react badly to it, I d idn´t react at all so I stopped. Tried it again later and this time I got a reaction from hell! After two days on minimal amounts my alredy stiff legs became even more stiff. They cracked, sounded like wood breaking) when I moved them. The same has so far happened with all B vitamins. I remembered my blood tests from last winter and checked them. Docs normally only test for folate and B12 and my folate level was very high (indicated by low homocystein level). B12 was normal. All the time I´ve had a feeling of being almost overnourished in many ways and maybe this is why I react so badly to supplements of all kinds, just can´t take any. I haven´t tried any of the metals besided magnesium which I can´t take at all but will try zink and see if it does anything for me. My nerve system is so screwed up I probably can´t take anything that affects it which vitamin B of all kinds does. In fact I´m thinking of fasting for af ew days to see if I get rid of any problems. Any experience with this? I´ve never done it.

08-21-2005, 05:21 AM	#26
dar7726 Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,474	Re: B6 supplement I guess it's subjective as to if it's helping or not...But I have the CD's from Mercola called "Insight" and "Focus"...All you hear is a rain sound. But I put them both on everyday. Insight I listen about 15 mins at least while saying affirmations. The Focus one I listen to while I'm on the computer. Suppose to help with concentration. Darlene

08-21-2005, 12:26 PM	#27
feelin'_wiggy Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,293	Re: B6 supplement Thanks for the replies. I guess I just have to give myself more time because I am doing the right things. Zapp, I love crosswords. I also have a computer Scrabble game that I play each day to re-train my mind. That's frustrating, too, because I used to be a Scrabble whiz. It's much harder now. The CD's sound promising. Music has a powerful impact on my mood. When I meditate, I put on the "Soundscapes" channel, New Age music. Yesterday when I was so frustrated with my sewing, I thought I should get up an turn on that music. But I was in a snit and didn't do it. The actual sewing isn't difficult, but figuring the measurements is so hard. I used to do this so easily in my head. The good news is that I got one drapery panel finished, and it's beautiful, silk with a contrasting border. Both face fabrics and the lining were cut to the exact dimensions, but my brain hurt afterward. Thanks again for the encouragement. I consider myself fortunate because it could be much worse. I just have to slow down. What a great lesson in patience. __________________ *Deborah* Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage -- Anais Nin ...the most you can hope is to be a little less, in the end, the creature you were in the beginning and the middle. -- Samuel Beckett (The Unnamable) . 1998: Paxil prescribed during mother's battle with cancer. 07/03 thru 05/05: Poop out; 2 botched attempts at wd; bipolar dx; more drugs added 04/05: quit lithium, Adderall and Xanax 05/05: Began 3rd attempt at wd 07/22/05: Liberated! http://www.benzo.org.uk

08-21-2005, 02:44 PM	#29
feelin'_wiggy Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 3,293	Re: B6 supplement I will definitely check out the Mercola CD's. __________________ *Deborah* Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage -- Anais Nin ...the most you can hope is to be a little less, in the end, the creature you were in the beginning and the middle. -- Samuel Beckett (The Unnamable) . 1998: Paxil prescribed during mother's battle with cancer. 07/03 thru 05/05: Poop out; 2 botched attempts at wd; bipolar dx; more drugs added 04/05: quit lithium, Adderall and Xanax 05/05: Began 3rd attempt at wd 07/22/05: Liberated! http://www.benzo.org.uk

08-24-2005, 09:12 AM	#30
dar7726 Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,474	Re: B6 supplement Just messin around today and found this in my favorites, it's a bit different than the one I already posted: B6 (pyridoxine) Involved in serotonin and/or norepinephrine synthesis. Involved in the synthesis of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). Deficiency symptoms include irritability, depression, and confusion. This vitamin aids in the processing of amino acids, which are the building blocks of all proteins and some hormones. It is needed in the manufacture of serotonin, melatonin and dopamine. Vitamin B6 deficiencies, although very rare, cause impaired immunity, skin lesions, and mental confusion. A marginal deficiency sometimes occurs in alcoholics, patients with kidney failure, and women using oral contraceptives. MAOIs, ironically, may also lead to a shortage of this vitamin. Many nutritionally oriented doctors believe that most diets do not provide optimal amounts of this vitamin. Last edited by dar7726 : 08-24-2005 at 09:20 AM.

09-01-2005, 10:34 AM	#31
Zoloftfree Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 210	Re: B6 supplement hi zapalinna! i can only offer my experience, so please know that this might not be across the board. my body is extremely sensitive to b vitamins ever since withdrawal. b vitamains increase my anxiety. i did some research on this and found that b vitamins are "stimulants" to the cental nervous system and can actually increase anxiety in some people! some people in withdrawal find that vitamin b can increase anxiety so please proceed with caution. __________________ God really does heal! Don't loose hope! I was in bed for about 18 months due to a cold turkey withdrawal from one med and a severe toxic reaction from another med and am now able to almost fully function. During that time I could usually not read a book or use the internet and was often bed bound and now I can do almost everything! It does get better.

09-01-2005, 11:02 AM	#32
zappelina Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,387	Re: B6 supplement So far I have reacted badly to all vitamins and supplements I have tried except this on, the B6. Took it for a few days but didn´t notice any benefits either so I have stopped it. Interesting about the deficiency symptoms, dar! When I googled a bit I found that deficiency and toxicity symptoms for B6 are the same (as with many other B vitamins). __________________ AD history: Celexa 20 mg 1997-98. Quit CT, no WD problems. Paxil/Seroxat 20 mg 2001-2003 then switched to 50 mg Zoloft without any WD problems after the switch. Zoloft later increased to 75 mg. 2004 tapered Zoloft too quickly after sudden onset of muscle stiffness and extreme restlessness on full dose. Severe and prolonged WD problem with a long list of symptoms. Considerable mental but very little physical improvement so far. Last Zoloft dose April 18 2004.

10-28-2005, 07:14 AM	#33
dar7726 Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,474	Re: B6 supplement Zapp, I found this the other day and it made me remember this thread. So I'm posting here. Hope this helps. It's from the thread in the misc forum called Article for Gary Null or something like that. Anyway here it is. The Great British vitamin scandal The most promising nutrients to date are vitamins B3, B12 and folic acid, then vitamin B6, zinc and magnesium and essential fatty acids (EFAs). The first three are involved in the vital biochemical process known as methylation, which is critical for balancing the neurotransmitters dopamine and adrenalin. Research on folic acid have shown improvement in both depression and schizophrenia. Giving those with borderline or low folate status 15mg a day alongside standard psychotropic treatment significantly improved clinical and social recovery in patients with depression and schizophrenia in a double-blind controlled trial at Kings College Hospital and the Department of Psychiatry(1). Vitamin B6 and zinc work together. In fact vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) does nothing in the body until it is converted into pyridoxal phosphate, this conversion depending on adequate zinc levels. About one third of the psychiatric population show the excessive excretion of ‘kryptopyrroles’ in the urine, the formation of which robs the body of B6 and zinc. Giving more of these nutrients corrects this biochemical abnormality and the associated symptoms of depression, anxiety, poor socialisation and ability to cope with stress (5). Giving vitamin C or EFAs also enhances recovery. But don’t we get enough of these nutrients from a well balanced diet? Comparison of the average daily intakes of these nutrients, as calculated by MAFF’s National Food Survey, with the current EC Recommended Daily Allowances (known in nutritional circles as the Ridiculous Dietary Arbitraries) reveals a scale of nutritional deficit few health professionals have taken on board http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...ad.php?t=14355

10-28-2005, 08:15 AM	#34
zappelina Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,387	Re: B6 supplement Hi Darlene! Thanks for thinking of me. I did try the B6 for a few days some time ago. First I didn´t react badly to it, I d idn´t react at all so I stopped. Tried it again later and this time I got a reaction from hell! After two days on minimal amounts my alredy stiff legs became even more stiff. They cracked, sounded like wood breaking) when I moved them. The same has so far happened with all B vitamins. I remembered my blood tests from last winter and checked them. Docs normally only test for folate and B12 and my folate level was very high (indicated by low homocystein level). B12 was normal. All the time I´ve had a feeling of being almost overnourished in many ways and maybe this is why I react so badly to supplements of all kinds, just can´t take any. I haven´t tried any of the metals besided magnesium which I can´t take at all but will try zink and see if it does anything for me. My nerve system is so screwed up I probably can´t take anything that affects it which vitamin B of all kinds does. In fact I´m thinking of fasting for af ew days to see if I get rid of any problems. Any experience with this? I´ve never done it. __________________ AD history: Celexa 20 mg 1997-98. Quit CT, no WD problems. Paxil/Seroxat 20 mg 2001-2003 then switched to 50 mg Zoloft without any WD problems after the switch. Zoloft later increased to 75 mg. 2004 tapered Zoloft too quickly after sudden onset of muscle stiffness and extreme restlessness on full dose. Severe and prolonged WD problem with a long list of symptoms. Considerable mental but very little physical improvement so far. Last Zoloft dose April 18 2004.

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