CD about withdrawal

scotty · 11-07-2005, 01:49 PM

This is a letter that I got from Charlie Carpenter. I have gotten to know him quite well in the past year or so since he attends EVERY protest that there is. He's a wonderful, dedicated guy who is doing his part to get the information out about ssri's. He is putting together a CD of stories. I'm posting this here in case anyone would be interested in participating. Totally your choice, just wanted to give you the opportunity.

Hello,

I’m Charlie Carpenter and up until a few years ago I believed Prozac and all its cousins were safe and they were given to people for depression. That has all changed since my wife was prescribed Paxil for panic attacks in the fall of 2002. We were not warned about the potential dangers that lay ahead. We had no idea what to watch for and how to handle what was to happen over the course of the next 6 or 7 months. Personality changes, emotional flattening and on and on. I had no idea that without permission I would be unable to speak with the Dr. Permission that once granted could be rescinded.

I attended the Protest in Washington DC in August and the Protest in Philly in September. I realized somewhere in the course of events that I could not convey what it had taken me over 2 years to learn in the short time I would be afforded by someone that would stop to ask questions.

Vicki and I own a photography studio and were among the first photographers in the US to transition from a paper brochure to a multimedia brochure. We first did this using a menu driven PowerPoint presentation we could bundle with “PowerPoint viewer” to eliminate the requirement for the interested party to own PowerPoint software.

Having done this before, I decided to once again use PowerPoint as the platform to build a not for profit informational CD that could be distributed at Protests and other appropriate events.

I would like the CD to contain a memorial Photo montage of SSRI / SNRI induced suicide victims that will play to the song “How do you get that lonely” by Blaine Larsen. I plan for the song to have some narration during some of the instrumental portions. I have gotten limited permission from Sony to use the song and I believe they will grant unlimited permission once they see the finished product.

I want to display an image of the victim along with their age, State, name of the medication they were given and why it was prescribed. This is not limited to US victims in any way.

I also want to include the stories of the suicide victims as well as stories from people that have taken these drugs and had an adverse reaction whether it was withdrawal or behavioral changes induced by the drug. The survivor’s stories can include an image of the person if they wish but it is not required and to protect their privacy a first name only will be fine.

In addition to the memorial and the stories I want to include information on but not limited to, Clinical Trials, Withdrawal Symptoms, Definitions, Statistics, FDA conflicts of interest.

If you have a loved one you would like to include in the memorial or know someone that does I just need the image and related information. If anyone has any questions input or suggestions please don’t hesitate to contact me at cdvlcarpenter@yahoo.com.

I believe this has a chance to be a powerful tool in drawing attention to the truth about the dangers people unknowingly face in the pursuit of profit from an industry that seems to have forgotten the first objective is to do no harm. Again I can put this together by myself but it will be so much better with the combined knowledge and experiences of many.

“Never before has an industry with such potential for doing good, so
betrayed the public trust”

Thank you,

Charlie Carpenter

elisa · 11-07-2005, 05:12 PM

Thanks for sharing Laurie!!

rdjanis · 11-07-2005, 05:37 PM

Yep... thanks for sharing Laurie!

Delynbetter · 11-07-2005, 05:45 PM

Brain fart here. Which one was he? The one with the pipe?

scotty · 11-07-2005, 07:50 PM

Dark Blue t-shirt and jeans!!

eileen · 11-07-2005, 08:02 PM

Thank You Laurie, I will think about this one.
eileen

Delynbetter · 11-07-2005, 08:11 PM

Ah, yes! He was the one with the box of pamphlets!

scotty · 11-07-2005, 09:05 PM

Yup, that's him! When I went to Philly it was Charlie who was the first one sitting in the lobby of the hotel waiting for Rob and Me. He was also in Washington and didn't know any of us.... just showed up. Really nice guy!

eileen · 11-08-2005, 07:48 AM

I think this is a good thing he is doing.

eileen

Charlie · 11-13-2005, 12:28 PM

I just wanted ti clarify that these will be for anyone that is interested to pass out not just myself. I have no interest in any sort of recognition just spreading the truth.

eileen · 11-17-2005, 11:50 AM

I know you do Charlie, it is still good work.

eileen

Charlie · 12-05-2005, 08:07 PM

Just an update, this is starting to take shape and I have (I think) overcome most of the problems I had to overcome to make this a reality. Now it's just putting the information where it goes and waiting for the personal stories and images of suicide victms to come in.

rdjanis · 12-05-2005, 08:16 PM

This is great Charlie, much hard work on your part. Thanks for taking the time to do something like this

scotty · 12-05-2005, 08:49 PM

Ryan's story coming soon. I just have to consolidate it.

rdjanis · 12-05-2005, 09:30 PM

Skye says no picture of her lol.... what a kid!!

Di-Ann · 12-06-2005, 02:00 AM

Scotty,
It's great to be back!My comp.crashed and after almost a month it's finally up and running.It's great to be back!
Di-Ann

Charlie · 12-21-2005, 05:37 PM

I believe I have a sample of the video where you can see it. I don't yet have enough images but this will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. The next step is to get the Powerpoint presentation on so you can see it as well.

http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpent...?1135207991455

Charlie · 12-21-2005, 05:39 PM

Oops, forgot to tell you to click on the image that comes up to start the video.

Charlie · 12-21-2005, 09:10 PM

I have just discovered that geocities has a limit on the hourly transfer rate so if you get a page not available just ry again later. Not especially convenient but it's free

elisa · 12-21-2005, 09:45 PM

Thanks Charlie!! I'll watch it asap!!

eileen · 12-22-2005, 10:55 PM

It told me to try later, so I'll try tomorrow Charlie.

eileen

elisa · 12-23-2005, 12:34 AM

Just watched it, after having it tried several times. Very emotional and the lyrics (music) sooo touching....

eileen · 12-23-2005, 07:40 AM

I can't wait to hear it. I'm going to try after the Holidays. I'm keeping my self up and have to stay that way because like the song said. I'm going to have a Holly Jolly Christmas. I wish the same for everybody in here.

eileen

rdjanis · 12-23-2005, 09:15 AM

Shoot... I just got the site loaded and then got temporarily not available... will try again later Charlie!!

I thought it was great the first time a saw it, but was not getting any sound or music???? Elisa's post made me want to go back lol

Charlie · 12-23-2005, 11:00 AM

I have purchased more bandwidth so we'll see how it goes. It should be available now.

http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpent...?1135207991455

11-07-2005, 01:49 PM	#1
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	CD about withdrawal This is a letter that I got from Charlie Carpenter. I have gotten to know him quite well in the past year or so since he attends EVERY protest that there is. He's a wonderful, dedicated guy who is doing his part to get the information out about ssri's. He is putting together a CD of stories. I'm posting this here in case anyone would be interested in participating. Totally your choice, just wanted to give you the opportunity. Hello, I’m Charlie Carpenter and up until a few years ago I believed Prozac and all its cousins were safe and they were given to people for depression. That has all changed since my wife was prescribed Paxil for panic attacks in the fall of 2002. We were not warned about the potential dangers that lay ahead. We had no idea what to watch for and how to handle what was to happen over the course of the next 6 or 7 months. Personality changes, emotional flattening and on and on. I had no idea that without permission I would be unable to speak with the Dr. Permission that once granted could be rescinded. I attended the Protest in Washington DC in August and the Protest in Philly in September. I realized somewhere in the course of events that I could not convey what it had taken me over 2 years to learn in the short time I would be afforded by someone that would stop to ask questions. Vicki and I own a photography studio and were among the first photographers in the US to transition from a paper brochure to a multimedia brochure. We first did this using a menu driven PowerPoint presentation we could bundle with “PowerPoint viewer” to eliminate the requirement for the interested party to own PowerPoint software. Having done this before, I decided to once again use PowerPoint as the platform to build a not for profit informational CD that could be distributed at Protests and other appropriate events. I would like the CD to contain a memorial Photo montage of SSRI / SNRI induced suicide victims that will play to the song “How do you get that lonely” by Blaine Larsen. I plan for the song to have some narration during some of the instrumental portions. I have gotten limited permission from Sony to use the song and I believe they will grant unlimited permission once they see the finished product. I want to display an image of the victim along with their age, State, name of the medication they were given and why it was prescribed. This is not limited to US victims in any way. I also want to include the stories of the suicide victims as well as stories from people that have taken these drugs and had an adverse reaction whether it was withdrawal or behavioral changes induced by the drug. The survivor’s stories can include an image of the person if they wish but it is not required and to protect their privacy a first name only will be fine. In addition to the memorial and the stories I want to include information on but not limited to, Clinical Trials, Withdrawal Symptoms, Definitions, Statistics, FDA conflicts of interest. If you have a loved one you would like to include in the memorial or know someone that does I just need the image and related information. If anyone has any questions input or suggestions please don’t hesitate to contact me at cdvlcarpenter@yahoo.com. I believe this has a chance to be a powerful tool in drawing attention to the truth about the dangers people unknowingly face in the pursuit of profit from an industry that seems to have forgotten the first objective is to do no harm. Again I can put this together by myself but it will be so much better with the combined knowledge and experiences of many. “Never before has an industry with such potential for doing good, so betrayed the public trust” Thank you, Charlie Carpenter __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

11-07-2005, 05:12 PM	#2
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,509	Re: CD about withdrawal Thanks for sharing Laurie!! __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

11-07-2005, 05:37 PM	#3
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: CD about withdrawal Yep... thanks for sharing Laurie! __________________ Rita

11-07-2005, 05:45 PM	#4
Delynbetter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 10,518	Re: CD about withdrawal Brain fart here. Which one was he? The one with the pipe?

11-07-2005, 07:50 PM	#5
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: CD about withdrawal Dark Blue t-shirt and jeans!! __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

11-07-2005, 08:02 PM	#6
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,272	Re: CD about withdrawal Thank You Laurie, I will think about this one. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

11-07-2005, 08:11 PM	#7
Delynbetter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 10,518	Re: CD about withdrawal Ah, yes! He was the one with the box of pamphlets!

11-07-2005, 09:05 PM	#8
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: CD about withdrawal Yup, that's him! When I went to Philly it was Charlie who was the first one sitting in the lobby of the hotel waiting for Rob and Me. He was also in Washington and didn't know any of us.... just showed up. Really nice guy! __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

11-08-2005, 07:48 AM	#9
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,272	Re: CD about withdrawal I think this is a good thing he is doing. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

11-13-2005, 12:28 PM	#10
Charlie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,562	Re: CD about withdrawal I just wanted ti clarify that these will be for anyone that is interested to pass out not just myself. I have no interest in any sort of recognition just spreading the truth. __________________ The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it." Knowledge speaks ....... Wisdom listens Charlie www.ThePaxilProtest.com

11-17-2005, 11:50 AM	#11
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,272	Re: CD about withdrawal I know you do Charlie, it is still good work. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

12-05-2005, 08:07 PM	#12
Charlie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,562	Re: CD about withdrawal Just an update, this is starting to take shape and I have (I think) overcome most of the problems I had to overcome to make this a reality. Now it's just putting the information where it goes and waiting for the personal stories and images of suicide victms to come in. __________________ The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it." Knowledge speaks ....... Wisdom listens Charlie www.ThePaxilProtest.com

12-05-2005, 08:16 PM	#13
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: CD about withdrawal This is great Charlie, much hard work on your part. Thanks for taking the time to do something like this __________________ Rita

12-05-2005, 08:49 PM	#14
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: CD about withdrawal Ryan's story coming soon. I just have to consolidate it. __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

12-05-2005, 09:30 PM	#15
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: CD about withdrawal Skye says no picture of her lol.... what a kid!! __________________ Rita

12-06-2005, 02:00 AM	#16
Di-Ann Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 10	Re: CD about withdrawal Scotty, It's great to be back!My comp.crashed and after almost a month it's finally up and running.It's great to be back! Di-Ann __________________ DAG

12-21-2005, 05:37 PM	#17
Charlie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,562	Re: CD about withdrawal I believe I have a sample of the video where you can see it. I don't yet have enough images but this will give you an idea of what I'm talking about. The next step is to get the Powerpoint presentation on so you can see it as well. http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpent...?1135207991455 __________________ The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it." Knowledge speaks ....... Wisdom listens Charlie www.ThePaxilProtest.com

12-21-2005, 05:39 PM	#18
Charlie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,562	Re: CD about withdrawal Oops, forgot to tell you to click on the image that comes up to start the video. __________________ The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it." Knowledge speaks ....... Wisdom listens Charlie www.ThePaxilProtest.com

12-21-2005, 09:10 PM	#19
Charlie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,562	Re: CD about withdrawal I have just discovered that geocities has a limit on the hourly transfer rate so if you get a page not available just ry again later. Not especially convenient but it's free __________________ The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it." Knowledge speaks ....... Wisdom listens Charlie www.ThePaxilProtest.com

12-21-2005, 09:45 PM	#20
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,509	Re: CD about withdrawal Thanks Charlie!! I'll watch it asap!! __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

12-22-2005, 10:55 PM	#21
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,272	Re: CD about withdrawal It told me to try later, so I'll try tomorrow Charlie. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

12-23-2005, 12:34 AM	#22
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,509	Re: CD about withdrawal Just watched it, after having it tried several times. Very emotional and the lyrics (music) sooo touching.... __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

12-23-2005, 07:40 AM	#23
eileen Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 9,272	Re: CD about withdrawal I can't wait to hear it. I'm going to try after the Holidays. I'm keeping my self up and have to stay that way because like the song said. I'm going to have a Holly Jolly Christmas. I wish the same for everybody in here. eileen __________________ June 13/07-reducing by .05mg. every four weeks to present. October 29/08-Paxil Free 2006-Cut Trazodone from 150mg to 100mg. Sept 07/09- Trazodone 75mg. Started this journey of horror with AD's in 1994, Put on Paxil 30 mg in Feb/1995 I will survive!

12-23-2005, 09:15 AM	#24
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: CD about withdrawal Shoot... I just got the site loaded and then got temporarily not available... will try again later Charlie!! I thought it was great the first time a saw it, but was not getting any sound or music???? Elisa's post made me want to go back lol __________________ Rita

12-23-2005, 11:00 AM	#25
Charlie Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 7,562	Re: CD about withdrawal I have purchased more bandwidth so we'll see how it goes. It should be available now. http://www.geocities.com/cdvlcarpent...?1135207991455 __________________ The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it." Knowledge speaks ....... Wisdom listens Charlie www.ThePaxilProtest.com

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