What's a "gag order" ?

[darcyb]

What the heck is a gag order? WiKi says it means, "A gag order is an order, sometimes a legal order by a court or government, other times a private order by an employer or other institution, restricting information or comment from being made public.

Gag orders are often used against participants involved in a lawsuit or criminal trial. They are also a tool to prevent media from publishing unwanted information on a particular topic."

Illegal to talk. It can be illegal to talk. Incredible. Isn't that something the president is trying to stop from happening in eastern countries, by applying democratic ideas? If democratic ideas CAUSE the very thing it seeks to alleviate, are we not just little dogs chasing our tails?

Very interesting. Woof woof.

[Scott]

of course it says a lot about their case if someone in a lawsuit is given a gag order

[Charlie]

Whether or not there is a gag order is usually worked out between the lawyers as a point of the settlement.

[eileen]

It means don't talk about this. Or Else. LOL Bark, Bark, pee on your leg or worse.
eileen

[elisa]

One better not "barf" after a gag order.

[hope]

Originally Posted by darcyb

Illegal to talk. It can be illegal to talk. Incredible. Isn't that something the president is trying to stop from happening in eastern countries, by applying democratic ideas? If democratic ideas CAUSE the very thing it seeks to alleviate, are we not just little dogs chasing our tails?

Very interesting. Woof woof.

Very interesting way of looking at it. I never thought of it that way. A violation of our constitutional right to free speech!!! And this is legal... Does seem like a gigantic contradiction. Correction, it IS a gigantic contradiction.

[elisa]

Money "talks"

[eileen]

Yes indeed money talks. I guess that's why I'm not heard too often.
eileen

[darcyb]

Originally Posted by hope

Very interesting way of looking at it. I never thought of it that way. A violation of our constitutional right to free speech!!! And this is legal... Does seem like a gigantic contradiction. Correction, it IS a gigantic contradiction.

All laws, rights/wrongs are completely relative. It's all about who can coerce you the most into agreement.

Killing is illegal. Unless you're in the military, politics or work at a prison.

Having more money than another is fine, unless you're going through a divorce.

Living on this planet is illegal, unless you buy the land from someone.

You're allowed to breathe air for free, but not drink clean water.

It's right/wrong to have children, depending where you live.

It's right/wrong to show off your female face, depending where you live.

You're free to explore your planet, when governments give you permission.

It's right/wrong to eat meat on certain days, depending on your religion.

It's right/wrong to earn your way to heaven by suicide, depending on your religion.

It's right/wrong to let children from learning about other religions, depending on your religion.

It's right/wrong for your child to do/be anything you don't agree with. Many of our members continue to heal from this long into their mature years.

It's right/wrong to have sex consentually at a certain age, depending on where you live.

It's right/wrong to consume alcohol at a certain age, depending on where you live.

It's right/wrong to observe daylight savings time, depending on where you live.

It's right/wrong to where pink, depending on your gender and where you live.

It's right/wrong to make more money than the opposite sex, depending on what industry you work in.

It's right/wrong to express your opinion, depending on where you live.

It's right/wrong to believe you own posessions, depending on your religion.

It's right/wrong to move your body within a vehicle at certain speeds, depending on where you're making the attempt, at what hour of the day, what vehicle you're using, etc.

It's right/wrong to call a certain sex, depending on family tradition, culture, where you live, age group.

It's right/wrong to be in the company of the opposite sex at specific ages depending on parents, their past, their education, culture, religion, skin tone , level of prejudice etc.

It's illegal to have an erection in public, depending on where you live. (It's true, and too funny not to mention considering adolescent teens seldom have control over that biological need to maintain functionality.)

It's illegal to feel air directly on your chest, depending on where you live.

And on and on. There's no single absolute anything on this planet. This is the human experience, and to believe there are absolutes like right/wrong, is to be in denial.

[Scott]

denial is rejecting the right and wrong and calling it relative.. if i go up onto a roof and believe there is no gravity because it's relative to me not to believe in gravity.. i'll face a harsh reality that gravity was truth even without my believing it. A stop light gives us 3 choices, it's all relative which one we choose to be the stop color.. But the truth is, there is only one stop color, and that's the law set down.. you can follow it or call it relative to what you want it to be and say green means stop. There is universal truth in everything, it's just hidden in relativism.

[darcyb]

Nuh uh Scott.

Gravity is a weak force. Believing it doesn't exist and that our bodies are not influenced by it, is lack of awareness or denial. Belief is relative, but that doesn't mean it fits absolutely anywhere in a right/wrong model.

You said "harsh". That's the personal relativity at work, as a judgment on the experience of gravity applied with a potential force directly related to force of gravity along with the square of the distance away from the mass offset by the current movement towards/away the mass.

It's neither right nor wrong to fall to the earth. It's just something that happens. Otherwise, it could be wrong for the earth to orbit, or for your heart to have a certain strength to pump blood up, or it would be wrong for you to be taller in the morning than you are at night.

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There is no stop color. When light from a star which is moving away from the observer shifts towards 'red', a doplar effect, does that mean it's trying to tell somebody to stop? It indicates greater movement. Red doesn't mean stop any more than purple means turn on the air conditioner. It's just something our culture has agreed to. That doesn't make it neither right nor wrong, it's just a symbol with a meaning assigned and relatively accepted. You haven't seen people ignore one? That means they are in disagreement with the agreement, and therefore, use relativity to make it right for themselves.

Their is no universal truth, except the one that says I AM, or LIFE IS, but even those are only true as long as we don't change from being who we were when we said it. Which is impossible. A blood cell moved here, a thought happened there etc. Observing changes the observed. Light, when not observed moves as waves. When it is observed closely, it behaves like particles.

[elisa]

The level of freedom one feels or experiences is in the eye of the beholder. What might be considered freedom to one might not be freedom to another.

[BamaBob]

MONEY TALKS

Speak to me!!!

[feelin'_wiggy]

Gag orders are often issued to protect the parties in a legal proceeding. The United States Constitution provides criminal defendants with due process, a speedy trial by an impartial jury of peers. In our mass media influenced world, it becomes increasingly difficult to find impartial jurors, especially in high profile cases. Thus, the gag order is a means to uphold the Constitution, not defy it. But, alas, like everything else that's good, it is subject to abuse.

[pantala]

Darcy (or others),
For mental exercise, create a scenario in which you might ardently desire a gag order - probably on someone else but could be on yourself as well (hint: related to "plausible deniability" or an if-I-told-you-I'd-have-to-kill-you event).
Kathryn

[hope]

I can't speak, too much cotton shoved into my mouth.

[sheacarney]

To remain silent.........to know the truth, but to never speak it..............to allow others to wallow in pain, confusion and sheer terror without support, empathy or the understanding that knowing the truth allows.................is evil.

-Shea

[eileen]

So true Shea.
eileen