Pdocs Who Don't Talk Only Prescribe

[unique]

Has anyone gone to pdocs who only prescribe meds - but very little talking, if any. Maybe a total of 15 min at most. My pdoc says seeing a psychologist to "talk" is a good thing, but basicially he only does meds. This is getting more upsetting to me by the minute!!! Get them in and get them out... money, money and more money.

[scotty]

When Ryan started exhibiting the adverse effects of paxil, his pdoc's response was "I don't do therapy. You're going to have to find someone else!" Nice, since it was HIS prescribing that caused all the problems!
Oh, yeah, we NEVER heard from this guy again after Ryan's hospitalization and the suicide attempts.. not even a phone call to see if he was alive. Well, at least if he watches TV he saw Ryan on World News Tonight and can see that WE are not taking this lightly!! Don't piss off a mother!

[unique]

I can't believe that ****ing dr never even bothered to call. My Gwd! Guilt do you suppose???????

When was Ryan on that program?

[scotty]

September of 2004. I can make it available for download if you want to see it.

[unique]

Yes, I would really like to see it... when you have a chance!

[scotty]

I'm uploading it to yousendit now, and will post a link to download load it when it's done. Realize when you see it that Ryan was in the middle of withdrawal... you can see it in his eyes!

[elisa]

Originally Posted by unique

Has anyone gone to pdocs who only prescribe meds - but very little talking, if any. Maybe a total of 15 min at most. My pdoc says seeing a psychologist to "talk" is a good thing, but basicially he only does meds. This is getting more upsetting to me by the minute!!! Get them in and get them out... money, money and more money.

My previous pdoc prescribed meds. He enrolled me for weekly group therapy (1.5 hr) given by him. These sessions were basically useless. I know he did it for the $$. He is a VERY GREEDY pdoc and his license was temporarily removed due to insurance & financial fraud committed through/to his patients.

He only referred me to a talk therapy pdoc years later, while I had expressed first hand to him that I needed to talk.

[scotty]

Here's a link to the download.. be aware it's a BIG download!!

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...81EMG9GQSI7OOM

[scotty]

Originally Posted by unique

I can't believe that ****ing dr never even bothered to call. My Gwd! Guilt do you suppose???????

When was Ryan on that program?

I started to understand the pdoc's indifference when I finally got a copy of his office records.. incomplete is an understatement. The ONLY aspect that was well documented was the billing of the insurance.

[unique]

I believe that, boy do I believe that! When did pdocs decide to hand out meds and not do "talk" therapy? It has to be fairly recent - five years or so ago?? Remember the 50 minute hour? It doesn't seem that long ago.

[unique]

Downloading now... talk to you later.

[scotty]

When they realized that they could "see" 4 patients in the time span of 1 AND have them as permanent patients prescribing MORE drugs to counteract the adverse effects of the one prescribed!!!!

[elisa]

Originally Posted by unique

I believe that, boy do I believe that! When did pdocs decide to hand out meds and not do "talk" therapy? It has to be fairly recent - five years or so ago?? Remember the 50 minute hour? It doesn't seem that long ago.

Pdocs who do talk therapy are almost as rare as the "hope" diamond. I was VERY lucky to have gotten one and she's covered by my insurance.

I started in the mental health system in 1995.

[unique]

Elisa... you are very lucky! I'm assuming she agrees that you should be off drugs and is working w/ you. If so, she is certainly not in the majority. You could prob put the "good" pdocs in one room!

Laurie, having a prob with my computer and sent link to my daughter's computer (in another room). When my granddaughter wakes up, she'll download it. I'll get back to u later tonite.

[elisa]

Originally Posted by unique

Elisa... you are very lucky! I'm assuming she agrees that you should be off drugs and is working w/ you. If so, she is certainly not in the majority. You could prob put the "good" pdocs in one room!

I told her that I was going off the psychotropic meds and that was it. I don't really know if she agrees with it or not, never asked her because I don't really care what she thinks. She did say that the AD's could have helped me at one time or another, yet agreed that I do better now in tapering than when on full dose of AD's. She noticed that my cognitive abilities were affected while on the drugs, but I guess she thinks it was due to the depression. She prescribes meds as well but is not a drug pusher. She's a treasure, partly because she respects my wishes. She was one of the 2 pdocs who told me that I would have to be on these drugs for life due to "chronic depression". Sofar, I've proved her wrong. I will NEVER go back on these drugs!!

I don't hold back when talking with her and have brought her printouts etc of news and research about the side-effects of these drugs. She knows how I feel about them.

[ihatezaps]

Thanks for sharing that, Laurie. Did GSK post all of their trials yet? I thought I remembered they had been given the deadline of December 2005 to do that.

[scotty]

They have some up, but only the end results not all the data in the trial... where the problems lie!!! It's the interpretation of the data that is in question. They don't include those who drop out of the trial... so therefore they take anyone with an adverse reaction and call them a "drop out". Like I've said before, I can make a clinical trial show ANYTHING I want!!! And they have!!! Which statisically makes the known negative trials all that more important.. even with screening out the bad stuff, they STILL came out bad!!!

[unique]

Laurie... having a problem - downloaded successfully on my computer and my daughter's but no sound and nothing happens. Do you have any idea what's up? We'll try again tomorrow. Nite...

[scotty]

Unique, you need realplayer to play it. It's a free download here:

http://www.real.com/

[unique]

Laurie... just watched it. I'm glad it aired for whatever good it did. Needless to tell YOU, so much more needs to be done and I know is being done. It's an awful shame that it takes sooooo long for this kind of stuff to come out!!! Thanks for sending link.

[scotty]

This was in the early stages of awareness that this program was done. This information was the FIRST we had seen about clinical trials. So getting WNT to cover it was a start.

Ryan would also like me to tell everyone that since that show, he's lost 60 pounds... he's mortified when he see's his size then(all gained during one year of paxil) .... kids!!!!

[Delynbetter]

I just watched it again (have it on my desktop ) and it still enrages me - the GSK disciple saying they have made "information available to the people who really need to know."

Who exactly fell into that group? They certainly didn't tell the FDA, the AMA or the docs, and still are covering up as much as they can. Just makes me want to rip their nose hairs out one by one.

And Ryan...I was going to tell you to get over that type of thinking, but I'm the same way about the weight I gained during my Paxil use...although it wasn't the same amount gained and lost as you. But being 5-feet tall, I sure felt like it was.

[specK]

[quote=elisa] She prescribes meds as well but is not a drug pusher. She's a treasure, partly because she respects my wishes. She was one of the 2 pdocs who told me that I would have to be on these drugs for life due to "chronic depression". Sofar, I've proved her wrong. I will NEVER go back on these drugs!!
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Elisa, i've just recently began on the mental health program too. My good fortune has found me a doc very simular to yours. I've been told before that after a certain # of depressions one must be on AD for life. Who I've been seeing has confirmed that PMA, cognitive change etc not only gets to the root of the problem but has the same effect on the brain as ADs do. Although he gives me the drug options for my symptoms he completely respects and supports my drug free recovery thus far.
You reffered to a dr that had you enlist in useless 1.5hr weekly sessions, was this particular person practising in North York Hosp? I had the most simular experience and he spent the 15 min analyses of what to prescribe cut the talk to the minimum. My appointments are 1hr with my present dr. I didn't think it was allowed until now!

[elisa]

Originally Posted by specK

Elisa, i've just recently began on the mental health program too. My good fortune has found me a doc very simular to yours. I've been told before that after a certain # of depressions one must be on AD for life. Who I've been seeing has confirmed that PMA, cognitive change etc not only gets to the root of the problem but has the same effect on the brain as ADs do. Although he gives me the drug options for my symptoms he completely respects and supports my drug free recovery thus far.
You reffered to a dr that had you enlist in useless 1.5hr weekly sessions, was this particular person practising in North York Hosp? I had the most simular experience and he spent the 15 min analyses of what to prescribe cut the talk to the minimum. My appointments are 1hr with my present dr. I didn't think it was allowed until now!

Great that you found a doc to your liking!!

Yes, this X pdoc worked in NYGH until 2003 and gave weekly group therapy which I attended off and on for about 3 years. He doesn't work there anymore. As far as I know just in his private office. I switched to my current pdoc in 1998.

[eileen]

My psychiatrist only does meds. That's all I need her for, my last psychiatrist was excellent for therapy and I don't think I need anymore of it. I'd rather sit out side and tell it to the sea gulls and the crows. LOL
Laurie if you can send the interview to me I would love to look at it.
eileen