Dr. Stoll

txguy · 12-17-2005, 11:04 PM

Anyone ever heard of this guy - http://askwaltstollmd.com/ - particularly the condition called "bracing"? Could be a condition many of us have who are experiencing muscle pain in withdrawal....I know that based on his desciption, I have it.

TXGuy

rdjanis · 12-18-2005, 12:38 AM

I have never heard of him, however any form of relaxation and/or stretching will help in withdrawal for sure. Tons of stuff on this site, will check it out tomorrow... time for bed now

Thanks for sharing!!

ladyofthelake · 12-18-2005, 12:53 AM

Yes, I have unfortunately heard of this "guy". He is no longer a licenced physicain. He lost his licence to practice for sending his patients amphetamines in the mail without ever actually seeing the patients. He sounds very good on the surface but if you dig futher on his forum you will find him giving people some very bad medical advise. I do like some of his therory on magnesium but I believe Mr. Stoll is more chemically imbalanced then anyone on this site could dream of. I am suprised that he is allowed to run the forum he does and he continues to practice giving dangerous advise to innocent and nieve people. He also charges a large fee for anyone to get phone consultations with him. Very odd - how injustices happen in so many ways.

Lisa

rdjanis · 12-18-2005, 09:21 AM

Thanks for sharing that Lisa!!

MizzT · 12-18-2005, 12:00 PM

the description of "bracing" sounds like a reasonable description for the physiology of what happens to you....but i didnt find anything other than relaxation techniques listed as ways to help the situation.....and in that case it becomes just another label.

some posts went into leaky gut....so that leads me down the nutrition path as a cause....but without some real information on what and why...its not real helpful to me.

What i personally found about the symptom described was again that magnesium seems to greatly help it....and also avoiding calcium while adding magnesium really greatly helps it. and yes....as do relaxation exercises and stretching.

elisa · 12-18-2005, 12:14 PM

Thanks for sharing that information Lisa. As always, let buyers beware!!

txguy · 12-18-2005, 01:43 PM

Yes - I agree. I am a skeptic by design and always wonder if any of this works. Like alot of us, we are always seeking ways to cure our conditions and alot of what he says makes sense however, for what Ive read, he seems to always lead you with answers that come up just short of being specific and helpful. Of course, you can buy his books which will give you the "helpful" information.

I personally believe that I have the condition he calls "bracing". I have tuned into my body over the last few days and catch myself constantly clenching my jaw, squinting, shoulders raised, neck muscles clenched, etc. I am on 400Mg of Magnesium and 3000mg of Fish Oil and have been since month 3 of my W/D.

TXGuy

scotty · 12-18-2005, 02:18 PM

Hmm, interesting!!

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/stoll.html

ladyofthelake · 12-18-2005, 03:30 PM

Welcome, I guess my clincher in reading up on the alleged “Dr.” Stoll. Was his post to a distressed woman asking his advise on her husbands need for an immediate open heart surgery – “Dr.” Stoll’s reply was to not have the surgery he would help instead of the surgery.

My second clincher to see that the system is right about “Dr." Stoll. Is his advise to people with MVP to salt load for their MVPS symptoms. He disregards the leaking heart valve as a “normal variant”. So if a person has a severe heart valve leak with their MVP he will disregard it and request them to salt load which can cause high blood pressure and for one with a substantial heart valve leak, high blood pressure can cause an acute surgery need for survival.

Then I looked up his credentials and saw that it has been discovered that he is a danger.

Lisa

silence4now · 12-18-2005, 08:24 PM

I have mentioned Dr. Stoll a few times in the past. I have his book and have frequented his web site. I ran across him when I was diagnosed with costochondritis (caused from bracing).

Allopathic doctors put me on high doses of anti-inflammatory drugs, when Dr. Stoll recommended magnesium, vitamin C, fish oil, and skilled relaxation.

His methods are unconventional by Western standards, but I'm not convinced that makes him a quack. His book makes sense, and he offers some very interesting theories, especially the one about leaky gut syndrome. I've haven't seen the salt load advice for MVP - only that the "symptoms" of MVP are often just that, as MVP is often over-diagnosed, and the symptoms can be relieved with magnesium and skilled relaxation. That in itself does not seem strange to me. But I do disagree with this claim that skilled relaxation is the only cure for bracing. I've since discovered that cranio-sacral therapy is very therapeutic for my "bracing."

12-17-2005, 11:04 PM	#1
txguy Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 225	Dr. Stoll Anyone ever heard of this guy - http://askwaltstollmd.com/ - particularly the condition called "bracing"? Could be a condition many of us have who are experiencing muscle pain in withdrawal....I know that based on his desciption, I have it. TXGuy __________________ TXGuy Paxil for 7 Years 1 Failed Withdrawal Paxil Free Since March 10, 2005 "Tough times don't last, tough people do"

12-18-2005, 12:38 AM	#2
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Dr. Stoll I have never heard of him, however any form of relaxation and/or stretching will help in withdrawal for sure. Tons of stuff on this site, will check it out tomorrow... time for bed now Thanks for sharing!! __________________ Rita

12-18-2005, 12:53 AM	#3
ladyofthelake Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA Posts: 193	Re: Dr. Stoll Yes, I have unfortunately heard of this "guy". He is no longer a licenced physicain. He lost his licence to practice for sending his patients amphetamines in the mail without ever actually seeing the patients. He sounds very good on the surface but if you dig futher on his forum you will find him giving people some very bad medical advise. I do like some of his therory on magnesium but I believe Mr. Stoll is more chemically imbalanced then anyone on this site could dream of. I am suprised that he is allowed to run the forum he does and he continues to practice giving dangerous advise to innocent and nieve people. He also charges a large fee for anyone to get phone consultations with him. Very odd - how injustices happen in so many ways. Lisa

12-18-2005, 09:21 AM	#4
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: Dr. Stoll Thanks for sharing that Lisa!! __________________ Rita

12-18-2005, 12:00 PM	#5
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: Dr. Stoll the description of "bracing" sounds like a reasonable description for the physiology of what happens to you....but i didnt find anything other than relaxation techniques listed as ways to help the situation.....and in that case it becomes just another label. some posts went into leaky gut....so that leads me down the nutrition path as a cause....but without some real information on what and why...its not real helpful to me. What i personally found about the symptom described was again that magnesium seems to greatly help it....and also avoiding calcium while adding magnesium really greatly helps it. and yes....as do relaxation exercises and stretching.

12-18-2005, 12:14 PM	#6
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,509	Re: Dr. Stoll Thanks for sharing that information Lisa. As always, let buyers beware!! __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

12-18-2005, 01:43 PM	#7
txguy Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 225	Re: Dr. Stoll Yes - I agree. I am a skeptic by design and always wonder if any of this works. Like alot of us, we are always seeking ways to cure our conditions and alot of what he says makes sense however, for what Ive read, he seems to always lead you with answers that come up just short of being specific and helpful. Of course, you can buy his books which will give you the "helpful" information. I personally believe that I have the condition he calls "bracing". I have tuned into my body over the last few days and catch myself constantly clenching my jaw, squinting, shoulders raised, neck muscles clenched, etc. I am on 400Mg of Magnesium and 3000mg of Fish Oil and have been since month 3 of my W/D. TXGuy __________________ TXGuy Paxil for 7 Years 1 Failed Withdrawal Paxil Free Since March 10, 2005 "Tough times don't last, tough people do"

12-18-2005, 02:18 PM	#8
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: Dr. Stoll Hmm, interesting!! http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/stoll.html __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

12-18-2005, 03:30 PM	#9
ladyofthelake Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA Posts: 193	Re: Dr. Stoll Welcome, I guess my clincher in reading up on the alleged “Dr.” Stoll. Was his post to a distressed woman asking his advise on her husbands need for an immediate open heart surgery – “Dr.” Stoll’s reply was to not have the surgery he would help instead of the surgery. My second clincher to see that the system is right about “Dr." Stoll. Is his advise to people with MVP to salt load for their MVPS symptoms. He disregards the leaking heart valve as a “normal variant”. So if a person has a severe heart valve leak with their MVP he will disregard it and request them to salt load which can cause high blood pressure and for one with a substantial heart valve leak, high blood pressure can cause an acute surgery need for survival. Then I looked up his credentials and saw that it has been discovered that he is a danger. Lisa

12-18-2005, 08:24 PM	#10
silence4now Join Date: May 2004 Location: SE U.S. Posts: 3,422	Re: Dr. Stoll I have mentioned Dr. Stoll a few times in the past. I have his book and have frequented his web site. I ran across him when I was diagnosed with costochondritis (caused from bracing). Allopathic doctors put me on high doses of anti-inflammatory drugs, when Dr. Stoll recommended magnesium, vitamin C, fish oil, and skilled relaxation. His methods are unconventional by Western standards, but I'm not convinced that makes him a quack. His book makes sense, and he offers some very interesting theories, especially the one about leaky gut syndrome. I've haven't seen the salt load advice for MVP - only that the "symptoms" of MVP are often just that, as MVP is often over-diagnosed, and the symptoms can be relieved with magnesium and skilled relaxation. That in itself does not seem strange to me. But I do disagree with this claim that skilled relaxation is the only cure for bracing. I've since discovered that cranio-sacral therapy is very therapeutic for my "bracing." __________________ Lisa - Paxil free since May 2004 _________________________________ God's economy is always positive.

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