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Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
No surprise here. Toxicity induced cardiac arrythmia????
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ory?id=2458457 Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication NASSAU, Bahamas Sep 18, 2006 (AP)— Anna Nicole Smith's son was on prescription anti-depression medication when he died at the hospital bedside of the former reality TV star, a pathologist who did a second autopsy on the 20-year-old Daniel Smith said Monday. Forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht said Daniel Smith was being treated for depression that began about 4-6 weeks earlier but that he does not know whether the medication played any role in his death, which came three days after his celebrity mother gave birth to a daughter in the Bahamas. Wecht, speaking by phone from the Miami airport a day after conduction the autopsy in the Bahamas, said he's still awaiting toxicology tests to determine the cause of death. He said that both he and the Bahamian coroner who did the first autopsy said there is no evidence that Daniel Smith died from a "suicidal overdose." Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
Laurie -- is cardiac arrythmia due to drug toxicity something that is known to happen? Would that mean that he wasn't a good metabolizer of the medication if that was the cause?
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
Exactly! The pathologist hired by Anna Nicole was just on MSNBC talking about it. Supposedly he was on a "low dose of an antidepressnt", which one is not mentioned. But we do know that non metabolizer can achieve toxic levels VERY fast and and that toxicity is known to cause cardiac arrythmias. We had a death of a 15 year old here in N.J. due to Prozac toxicity and cardiac arrhythmia as a result, that killed her. Another thing is that he may have taken something over the counter, that in combination with the AD caused a serotonin syndrome.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
wow..look at the right answer on JBB..dont ya love when this stuff starts to make sense..and as fr as Msith goes...I think that you gals hi the nail on the head...
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
It is very sad and my heart goes out to the family but if it was in fact drug induced I hope they shout it from the rooftops.....
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
As sick as this sounds and I don't mean it in a bad way this might just be what we needed to get people to listen.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
I hear you Charlie. I got the call on this last night.. believe me, people are on top of this!
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
I'm not happy, by any means, but maybe this will finally bring the attention to these poisons that we so desparately need!
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
I've just provided information on prolonged QT to some news agencies and individuals that are looking for information.
Here's a thread here that discusses this problem http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...ad.php?t=15332
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
Thanks, Laurie! Hey, hubby wants to know if we're following up any leads regarding the shooter in the college shooting in Canada.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
We have people looking into it. Canada is very closed mouthed so far. I'll keep you posted. It's getting hard to keep up with all the horrible stories!
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
Canada is 'very' closed mouth about any of this stuff... makes me sick!!
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
I had a feeling about this. Had the same sad thoughts too that this might get some more word out there.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
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..the only thing we know for sure, according to my inside sources..he used a gun..that really is how bad it is here getting news, ior should say insight into news..
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
Rita and Homer, why is that?
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
I think that the news up here work hard on not comnig across as being too sensaltionlistic.make sure we know it as fact prior to putting it on tv or ni print...and wanting not to seem like what we see on the american channels..no offence..
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
None taken....we're TERRIBLE about sensationalism, I'm actually ashamed sometimes.
I still hope something more comes out about it though. Something was obviously very wrong.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
One does not have to be a "poor metabolizer" of an SSRI to die from drug induced cardiac side effects, which include myocardial infarction (heart attack), ischemia and arrhythmias. I am a "normal metabolizer" and experienced life threatening cardiac related side effects while on the drug.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
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This is such a terrible thing to happen. I can imagine that the pain of losing a child would never ever go away. I'm gonna post in that other thread too...scotty i need your help on this one.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
I don't believe that the cause will be left undetermined. That is where it stands right now until all the histopathology comes back. Cardiac arrythmias, as a cause of death, are reached through excluding any other causes. So they have to look at everything else to rule out any other cause. If all other options are ruled out, then cardiac arrthymia would be determined to be the cause. Since you can't "see" an electrical disturbance unless the person was being monitored at the actual "event", it's a hard one to prove. Causal link with the AD may be hard to pin down, but if all other cardiac problems are ruled out.. that becomes the top of the list diagnosis.
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
What are the chances they release which a/d he was on?
What do you all think? I would guess Lexapro - since people think 10mg is a "low dose" when in reality it is not! If Anna and her lawyer have spent all this time trying to get her inheritence, you better bet they will sue Pharma for wrongful death if that's the case. |
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Re: Autopsy Shows Smith's Son on Medication
Okay I'm going to play devil's advocate because I think this has gotten a little silly.
Even if you've uncovered a conspiracy and are amazed at how big it is, that doesn't mean the conspiracy applies to everything. The kid died and that's sad. But really, how likely is a low dose of antidepressants taken for a few months after a breakup going to turn up as his cause of death? My money's on a brain aneurysm or other difficult-to-determine, but much more deadly cause. Before all the attacks, here's where I'm coming from: -Working in a news room with unprofessional reporters going after unsubstatiated leads. -Daughter of a hypnotherapist who has 'discovered' Satanic Ritual Abuse in the backgrounds of all his clients.
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