man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman.

summer bee · 10-10-2006, 07:57 PM

http://www.the-signal.com/?module=di...81&format=html

Incident Raises Questions of Link Between Lack of Meds and Crimes

By Serena Maria Daniels
Signal Staff Writer

Tuesday October 10, 2006

The recent arrest of a Canyon Country man accused of keeping deputies at bay during a several-hour standoff raised concern among his family that not being properly medicated might have contributed to his violent threats.

In a county jail cell in lieu of $225,000 bail, Mark Hillman, 53, faces charges of kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon and three counts of obstruction of an officer.

Hillman's sister, Susan Hillman, said he had run out of his prescription of Zoloft, which she believes could have contributed to his apparent breakdown, during which he is accused of trying to stab a woman with a butcher's knife. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for Friday.

Arjun Reyes, a psychiatrist at Henry Mayo Newhall Memorial Hospital's Behavior Health Unit, said patients who abruptly stop taking psychiatric medications can suffer from discontinuation syndrome.

Withdrawal symptoms include anxiety and problems sleeping and even thoughts of suicide or homicide, but Reyes said it is not typical for those emotions to spiral out of control like in the case of Hillman.

"If you just abruptly go off (the medication), it's very difficult to distinguish whether what you're feeling is because of the medication or if it's because you're still depressed," Reyes said.

Many popular antidepressants - known as Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors - include Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft, according to the International Coalition for Drug Awareness.

Those types of medication increase the level of Serotonin, a chemical in the brain that people suffering from depression often have low numbers. Once a patient stops taking the medication, Serotonin levels decrease to original levels.

If they stop before they are ready, Reyes said, patients can become agitated.

Copyright:The Signal

BEFORE they are ready? i think, even WHEN ready, agitation is certainly present!

elisa · 10-10-2006, 08:30 PM

Arjun Reyes, a psychiatrist at Henry Mayo Newhall Memorial Hospital's Behavior Health Unit, said patients who abruptly stop taking psychiatric medications can suffer from discontinuation syndrome.

Oh yeah??? Please update yourself Dr Reyes and admit that even decreasing the dosage can/will lead to withdrawl symptoms!!

If they stop before they are ready, Reyes said, patients can become agitated.

C'mon Dr Reyes, where did you get that from????

Delynbetter · 10-10-2006, 08:35 PM

Whenever they are ready... Don't they need to know about the problems before they can begin to be "ready" for them?

summer bee · 10-10-2006, 09:26 PM

what also pissed me off was the "properly medicated" at the beginning; i know what the author meant, but still, that phrase seems to increase the distance between the medicated and the non-medicated! oh, stigma!

elisa · 10-10-2006, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by summer bee

what also pissed me off was the "properly medicated" at the beginning; i know what the author meant, but still, that phrase seems to increase the distance between the medicated and the non-medicated! oh, stigma!

To me "properly medicated" by psychiatrists means higher dosage(s) of the psychopric meds they prescribe. They often lament the family physicans who prescribe a lower dosage than them.

scotty · 10-10-2006, 10:33 PM

It amazes me that people don't see the, pardon the pun, INSANITY of this!!! In what world does anyone think that a "depressed" person would KILL someone!!!

mouse · 10-11-2006, 03:49 PM

Arjun Reyes, a psychiatrist at Henry Mayo Newhall Memorial Hospital's Behavior Health Unit, said patients who abruptly stop taking psychiatric medications can suffer from discontinuation syndrome.

Still glossing over the reality with their made up definitions.. ....discontinuation syndrome ....my hairy hole...
Psychiatrists have a lot to anwer for......power trippin , ego driven meglomaniacs....

If they stop before they are ready, Reyes said, patients can become agitated

"Agitated" you say huh?... Well thats a slight downplay of the reality again...
I would hardly describe HOMICIDAL as "agitation"... But then again im not a psychiatrist who believes that peoples lives and brains are there to be experimented with...

If these crazy psychiatrists didnt have their pseudo - "definitions" to hide behind then they wouldnt get away with the **** that they do.....

BriOnH · 10-11-2006, 04:54 PM

I have had thoughts like that in w/d, they are truely, devestatingly awful. Usually they would pass, but still extrememy unpleasant. When I was having those thoughts though I knew I would never act on them and go check myself in if I even began to premeditate. Scary stuff coming off this stuff at times.

10-10-2006, 07:57 PM	#1
summer bee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 1,711	man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman. http://www.the-signal.com/?module=di...81&format=html Incident Raises Questions of Link Between Lack of Meds and Crimes By Serena Maria Daniels Signal Staff Writer Tuesday October 10, 2006 The recent arrest of a Canyon Country man accused of keeping deputies at bay during a several-hour standoff raised concern among his family that not being properly medicated might have contributed to his violent threats. In a county jail cell in lieu of $225,000 bail, Mark Hillman, 53, faces charges of kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon and three counts of obstruction of an officer. Hillman's sister, Susan Hillman, said he had run out of his prescription of Zoloft, which she believes could have contributed to his apparent breakdown, during which he is accused of trying to stab a woman with a butcher's knife. His preliminary hearing is scheduled for Friday. Arjun Reyes, a psychiatrist at Henry Mayo Newhall Memorial Hospital's Behavior Health Unit, said patients who abruptly stop taking psychiatric medications can suffer from discontinuation syndrome. Withdrawal symptoms include anxiety and problems sleeping and even thoughts of suicide or homicide, but Reyes said it is not typical for those emotions to spiral out of control like in the case of Hillman. "If you just abruptly go off (the medication), it's very difficult to distinguish whether what you're feeling is because of the medication or if it's because you're still depressed," Reyes said. Many popular antidepressants - known as Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors - include Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft, according to the International Coalition for Drug Awareness. Those types of medication increase the level of Serotonin, a chemical in the brain that people suffering from depression often have low numbers. Once a patient stops taking the medication, Serotonin levels decrease to original levels. If they stop before they are ready, Reyes said, patients can become agitated. Copyright:The Signal BEFORE they are ready? i think, even WHEN ready, agitation is certainly present! __________________ 06/26/2006: 10mg; found paxilprogress.org 06/28/2006-01/20/07: a long, zappy time of tapering paxil-free for: FOUR AND A HALF YEARS! my blog: panic about anxiety. video: tapering off of paxil. facebook: the dangers of antidepressants. la times: my paxil withdrawal story "all systems begin and end in silence; nothing needs solving, nothing is a problem..." - al zolynas, the algebra nightmare

10-10-2006, 08:30 PM	#2
elisa Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 11,473	Re: man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman. Arjun Reyes, a psychiatrist at Henry Mayo Newhall Memorial Hospital's Behavior Health Unit, said patients who abruptly stop taking psychiatric medications can suffer from discontinuation syndrome. Oh yeah??? Please update yourself Dr Reyes and admit that even decreasing the dosage can/will lead to withdrawl symptoms!! If they stop before they are ready, Reyes said, patients can become agitated. C'mon Dr Reyes, where did you get that from???? __________________ On A/D's since 1995, switching due to side-effects on 30 different brands of TCA's, SSRI's, SNRI's, Antipsychotics, Benzo's & Imovane. 6 ECT's. Tapering from 225 mg Effexor XR May 17, 2004. (Equiv. to 60 mg Paxil) Last taper Effexor XR Jan 17, 2006 down to ZERO. Currently protracted withdrawal. Sept 2006: 25 mg Doxepin. March 13/09: 10 mg Desipramine

10-10-2006, 08:35 PM	#3
Delynbetter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 10,769	Re: man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman. Whenever they are ready... Don't they need to know about the problems before they can begin to be "ready" for them? __________________ Diagnosed anxiety/panic disorder without agoraphobia 1989. Talk/music therapy. Major anxiety and mild depression in 2004 from situational stressors. Began Paxil CR 25mg, 10/04. Quit cold-turkey 5/5/05 as demanded by doctor. Found paxilprogress 5/17/05. Began Paxil CR 12.5mg 5/17/05. Weaned 4 1/2 months. During taper - anx/panic/depression, manic episodes, agoraphobia, suicidal ideation, many other physical symptoms. Paxil-free 10/2/05.

10-10-2006, 09:26 PM	#4
summer bee Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 1,711	Re: man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman. what also pissed me off was the "properly medicated" at the beginning; i know what the author meant, but still, that phrase seems to increase the distance between the medicated and the non-medicated! oh, stigma! __________________ 06/26/2006: 10mg; found paxilprogress.org 06/28/2006-01/20/07: a long, zappy time of tapering paxil-free for: FOUR AND A HALF YEARS! my blog: panic about anxiety. video: tapering off of paxil. facebook: the dangers of antidepressants. la times: my paxil withdrawal story "all systems begin and end in silence; nothing needs solving, nothing is a problem..." - al zolynas, the algebra nightmare

10-10-2006, 10:33 PM	#6
scotty Administrator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 46,993	Re: man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman. It amazes me that people don't see the, pardon the pun, INSANITY of this!!! In what world does anyone think that a "depressed" person would KILL someone!!! __________________ AKA Laurie "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." MLK

10-11-2006, 03:49 PM	#7
mouse Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: on the rim of the outer anus hemisphere Posts: 1,028	Re: man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman. Arjun Reyes, a psychiatrist at Henry Mayo Newhall Memorial Hospital's Behavior Health Unit, said patients who abruptly stop taking psychiatric medications can suffer from discontinuation syndrome. Still glossing over the reality with their made up definitions.. ....discontinuation syndrome ....my hairy hole... Psychiatrists have a lot to anwer for......power trippin , ego driven meglomaniacs.... If they stop before they are ready, Reyes said, patients can become agitated "Agitated" you say huh?... Well thats a slight downplay of the reality again... I would hardly describe HOMICIDAL as "agitation"... But then again im not a psychiatrist who believes that peoples lives and brains are there to be experimented with... If these crazy psychiatrists didnt have their pseudo - "definitions" to hide behind then they wouldnt get away with the **** that they do.....

10-11-2006, 04:54 PM	#8
BriOnH Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 543	Re: man runs out of zoloft; tries to stab woman. I have had thoughts like that in w/d, they are truely, devestatingly awful. Usually they would pass, but still extrememy unpleasant. When I was having those thoughts though I knew I would never act on them and go check myself in if I even began to premeditate. Scary stuff coming off this stuff at times. __________________ -Brian 1998 - put on paxil for panic disorder. 01/01/04 - Quit cold turkey 15mg - First Attempt. 05/18/04 - Went back on to 15 mg - I think I could have hung in there if I was aware of this forum. 07/28/2005 - Quit Paxil 15 mg - Second Attempt 11/06/2005 -- On 10 mg to stabilize and will try again 11/30/2005 -- Back to 15mg again. 12/18/05 -- 7.5 mg 12/31/05 -- 0 1/05/06 -- back on 15 mg 10/25/06 -- 1mg xanax down from 3 mg from 5 month taper. www.diabuddies.com Brian Hartigan

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