What do you think?

[Johnnny off Paxil]

I needed to go see a Doctor yesterday to get to see and discuss the blood test results that I had done. They showed nothing, guess thats good news.
But my point and I need your feedback here of these "truths " or truisms that this Doctor began to spout off when I discussed "why" I was having these tests done and my Panic Disorder.

Claims:
1) thats it is impossible to have any adverse reaction to Paxil
2) that the worst that Paxil withdrawal can do..as long as you taper off carefully is " a few electric shocks here and there.
3) that acupuncture was "pointless"
4) vitamin and herbal therapy "useless"
5) all forms of calming oneself and meditation also " useless"
6) there is no such thing as SSRI withdrawal syndrome
7) Paxil is basically "harmless"
that Anxiety "cannot be cured" except with the use of SSRI's
9) this Doctor could not explain the days of "fallout symptoms" that I have "after" a panic attack and that I believed there was a distinction here, that Panic attacks happen and then its over..you might feel tired or nervous but thats about it. Whereas I will experience tingling, numbness,nausea and dizziness and weakness for days afterwards..I believe there is a very clear distinction here...the Doctors answer " well you wouldn't believe what stress and anxiety can do to a person.
10) that after...eventually "exhausting all these pointless dead end roads" I would eventually "come round" and return to the"wisdom" of using maybe not Paxil but Zoloft, Celexa or Citalopram and that was the "Only Way" of "curing"
anxiety.

I would be interested on what members here have to say about these "truths"
This Doctor considered himself an "authority" on Anxiety Disorder" that he was the Doctor the"eventually came to" when it came to resolving" psychiatric issues" such as Anxiety.

Regards, Johnny

[Delynbetter]

My feedback is that this doctor is full of ****.

[rdjanis]

The doctor is an idiot! If it were me, I would print off the withdrawal warnings straight from GSK website and tell the doctor he is giving out information that could seriously harm a patient and I 'would' report him.

My daughter's psychiatrist received an official warning on withdrawal, weaning, and warned not to do it again to any other patient....

[babs]

Your doctor is an idiot, and it's scary that he is telling this crap to loads of other patients who will believe him.

[Iksfreundin]

Originally Posted by Johnnny off Paxil

Claims:
1) thats it is impossible to have any adverse reaction to Paxil
2) that the worst that Paxil withdrawal can do..as long as you taper off carefully is " a few electric shocks here and there.
3) that acupuncture was "pointless"
4) vitamin and herbal therapy "useless"
5) all forms of calming oneself and meditation also " useless"
6) there is no such thing as SSRI withdrawal syndrome
7) Paxil is basically "harmless"
that Anxiety "cannot be cured" except with the use of SSRI's
9) this Doctor could not explain the days of "fallout symptoms" that I have "after" a panic attack and that I believed there was a distinction here, that Panic attacks happen and then its over..you might feel tired or nervous but thats about it. Whereas I will experience tingling, numbness,nausea and dizziness and weakness for days afterwards..I believe there is a very clear distinction here...the Doctors answer " well you wouldn't believe what stress and anxiety can do to a person.
10) that after...eventually "exhausting all these pointless dead end roads" I would eventually "come round" and return to the"wisdom" of using maybe not Paxil but Zoloft, Celexa or Citalopram and that was the "Only Way" of "curing"
anxiety.

I would be interested on what members here have to say about these "truths"
This Doctor considered himself an "authority" on Anxiety Disorder" that he was the Doctor the"eventually came to" when it came to resolving" psychiatric issues" such as Anxiety.

1) Then the thousands who have posted or joined here have all lost their minds after starting paxil. Many had no history of mental problems before paxil. Does this make paxil the cause? Hmmm.
2) Wrong again. Many of the things I'm feeling now were only felt before now when I last cold turkeyed, about 10-ish years ago.
3) It's pointless to a Western doctor. Otherwise, it's one of the oldest and most respected medical treatments on earth.
4) If I miss a day of my multiple supplements, I feel pretty different than the days I take them all. What does that say?
5) If they are all useless, then why do they work for so many?
6) Again, refer to #1. What I personally am dealing with is not some mid-life crisis. I haven't even reached middle age! And I'm only taking one other medicine, that has nothing to do with the manipulation of serotonin. They admit that SSRIs function a certain way, and then believe that reversing that function causes no problems? Ridiculous.
7) Again, ridiculous. There are many a medical study that suggest otherwise, and many babies born with heart defects would like to disagree with that statement. Altostrata has posted many, many articles that suggest that the harm of paxil is finally coming to light. And lawsuits have been won by that very sentiment; paxil can be harmful.
No, anxiety can't be 'cured'. But paxil doesn't cure it. It masks it until you go off paxil.
9) What an idiot. Him, not you.
10) With wisdom like that, he deserves a nobel prize. Note the sarcasm.

Anxiety isn't a psychiatric condition. It's a response to outside pressures that are weighing on the collective conscience of society today. Anxiety is as much a psychiatric condition as smoking-induced lung cancer is.

[nicemom]

I would run away from that doc as fast as I could. He is uneducated and pompas! I fully agree with what Rita said, and would do it.

[Homerbcool]

I only read the first point...he is a moron...

[dollparts]

That doc is extremely uneducated. I recently saw the same 'type' of doc. She was totally clueless about paxil, said there were no w/d effects from it, blah blah blah. I obviously do not trust her and will only be going back there when I am out of my liquid paxil (for refills).

[LCrawford67]

Your doctor is a dumbass and you need to get a new one ASAP. Thousands of years, folks have used herbs and accupuncture. This guy is a total jackass and it's proof of western medicine thinking it's the know all, be all, and end all of everything.

[penguin]

as others have posted already this doc is dangerously uneducated on the science behind SSRIs, as well as the thousands of years of practice and the increasing "scientific" evidence that acupuncture, body work and other non-civilized medicines DO work, and without adverse side effects...
i would say that this doctor really needs to revisit the Hippocratic oath he is supposed to be held to...
good luck!

[imokay]

What a f'n moronic, pompus, dumbass!!! OH this makes me SO mad!!!!!
Run dont walk away from this idiot and report his stupidity to anyone who will listen

[Katesmom]

I think that there is one bit of wisdom that comes from our member DeLyn likes to say that you should pass on to this doctor: Bite me!

[scotty]

This doctors statements only confirm that he researches nothing. Even a minimal amount of research, heck read a newspaper, would help this guy. He is a drug pusher...plain and simple. Run, fast and far!!!!
For ANY type of doctor to say that ANY drug has NO side effects is ignorant. EVERY drug has side effects.

[Katesmom]

Well, yeah. I mean, even GSK's literature talks about side effects and admits discontinuation syndrome and advises tapering. So, it's REALLY weird that he would deny what even the manufacturer admits. Perhaps he takes one of these drugs? I have found that people who take these pills are very quick to deny any alternative; they have too much at stake.

[LCrawford67]

Originally Posted by cally9096

What a f'n moronic, pompus, dumbass!!! OH this makes me SO mad!!!!!
Run dont walk away from this idiot and report his stupidity to anyone who will listen

You're like me, Cally. I read posts like this and just get livid! What the hell is the matter with some of the doctors?!

[altostrata]

See http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...ighlight=idiot

[scotty]

What they lack in intelligence they make up in arrogance. I see it EVERY day!! The most arrogant are the most incompetent!

[LCrawford67]

Probably because they've got little pee pees!

[Buxy`s Back]

Originally Posted by scotty

What they lack in intelligence they make up in arrogance. I see it EVERY day!! The most arrogant are the most incompetent!

oh yeah agree with that one totally the worst ones i have had have deff been the most arrogant,oh well i agree they have this attitude for some reason,maybe they should go to the shrink to get things off their chests or maybe some seroxat????

[Johnnny off Paxil]

Wow....well my thoughts were when I heard this sermon..man what if everyone from this Forum was present in that consulting room. My wife was so shocked by what the Doc said, she wanted to go back in and give him her 2 cents worth..she was sooo maddd..

The thing about this as well thats disconcerting is that..this type of monolgue is discouraging..the last thing you need when your going through extended withdrawal symptoms. But many doctors talk like this.

Lastly, this doctor is not our family doctor...so yes we will avoid him...like the plague.

Thanks again for you feedback

Regards, Johnny

[paxilgirl]

I still would report him to the AMA or whatever governing body is responsible for doctor discipline...

[Johnnny off Paxil]

Thanks PaxilGirl...it would be in this case the CMA.. as its in Vancouver, BC.
Keep in mind that the psychiatry dept at UBC is very pro..drugs and that all mental illness is due to some "chemical imbalance"...this is very strongly reflected in the medical establishment.

Regards, Johnny