SLEEP, need sleep

ducktail · 03-16-2007, 07:42 PM

Since my last cut I have been doing very well for the most part. Just having real trouble falling asleep, it's taking about 2 hours every night to drop off. I have restless legs syndrome, which was kept at bay while I was on a higher dose of paxil. I'm also waking up early. I'm getting to the point where I am quite strung out and am having difficulty thinking and making decisions.

I would really prefer not to take any sleep meds. I took a fernurgen (antihistamine) at 1 o'clock this morning as I was getting so desperate, but today I am feeling very dopey as a result.

Valerian, melatonin etc just doesn't work for me. Does anyone have any suggestions. And yes, I am following good sleep hygiene practices. Any help would be appreciated.

I have taken Murelax in the past, this has a really bad rebound effect when I stop taking it. I don't want to take it again but I am really getting desperate.

Kelli

silence4now · 03-17-2007, 08:49 AM

Magnesium and Calms forte.

wendywoo · 03-17-2007, 09:51 PM

Kelli, sorry don't have any anwers but plenty of sympathy. It's nearly 3am in the UK and I cannot sleep for the 2nd night running - and the restless legs is a HUGE part of that. I had gone through a good(ish) spell where at least I had cut out daytime naps (vicious circle) but I am on a downward sleep spiral again. I feel for you !

jeanie · 03-18-2007, 08:40 AM

I took calms forte last night....didn't work for me

akaenew · 03-18-2007, 09:37 AM

Ducktail- I feel for you also. Insomnia has been one of my worst symptoms. I would just go days without sleeping. I found nothing to help. except about once a week I would just have to take xanax. Like you, I was really concerned about getting hooked on something for sleep. It's gotten better now. I can pretty much count on getting sleep every night now. I have not taken xanax in 6 weeks.

I realize this isn't what you would call "encouraging" but my point is that it does get better. To be honest, I was probably 6 months out before I could bank on sleeping at least for awhile every night. Last night I went to sleep within 15 minutes and slept pretty much for 8 hours. I don't think it is "normal" sleep yet, but it is refreshing and, important to me, several hours of "healing" go by that I am unaware of.

It sucks- I send all my empathy. I don't know what you have to handle during the day....... therefore it may not be an option to go days without sleep for you (I actually would go several days with no sleep) but it does get better if you can just hang on.

Nasty, nasty stuff, this paxil. I just send all my best wishes, for the small part that it is worth to you in the middle of the night. I hope for you. akaenew

texgirl · 03-18-2007, 11:03 AM

I had a lot of trouble with restless legs while on Paxil and in early w/d. I would wake up practically running in place in bed. As I got farther from my last dose, this symptom eventually went away.

I'm sure this has been discussed on other threads, but IMO, RLS is a condition that's directly attributable to Paxil (or other SSRI) use, and it's no coincidence that the drug currently being touted to treat it is manufactured by GSK.

ducktail · 03-20-2007, 03:40 AM

Thanks everyone, I'm pretty strung out at the mo- have had a huge change in routine to cope with as well. Not coping today. I had trouble with RLS before paxil. I take all the supplements, as well have started taking iron as recommended on the RLS website. It does actually seem to help. I am anxious about our new routine, I know we will probably adjust, we have to be early to bed early to rise, and when I haven't had any sleep it's kinda hard to do. During the day my routine varies with the kids activities, housework, shopping, appointments, volunteer work etc, the days are long.

Thanks again to all replies, you know I really appreciate it. You guys are a lifeline.

Kelli

fiddaman · 03-20-2007, 05:55 AM

I've been Seroxat free for over three years now and still have trouble with my sleep. During my time on Seroxat I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnoea and was given a CPAP machine - basically a mask that floods your airways with a continuous flow of air. Not long after I quit Seroxat - I found I didn't need the CPAP anymore. Like many others I gained weight whilst on Seroxat and many peeps overweight can develop sleep apnoea. Thankfully, I don't have to wear that mask anymore and feel like sumpin out of a Star Wars movie.

Since I have been Seroxat free I have lost 3 stone in weight - I'm no Brad Pitt but I'm no Luciano Pavorotti either

03-16-2007, 07:42 PM	#1
ducktail Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 334	SLEEP, need sleep Since my last cut I have been doing very well for the most part. Just having real trouble falling asleep, it's taking about 2 hours every night to drop off. I have restless legs syndrome, which was kept at bay while I was on a higher dose of paxil. I'm also waking up early. I'm getting to the point where I am quite strung out and am having difficulty thinking and making decisions. I would really prefer not to take any sleep meds. I took a fernurgen (antihistamine) at 1 o'clock this morning as I was getting so desperate, but today I am feeling very dopey as a result. Valerian, melatonin etc just doesn't work for me. Does anyone have any suggestions. And yes, I am following good sleep hygiene practices. Any help would be appreciated. I have taken Murelax in the past, this has a really bad rebound effect when I stop taking it. I don't want to take it again but I am really getting desperate. Kelli __________________ Started Aropax 40mg June 1997 Aropax causes me extreme lethargy, brain fog, weight gain, emotional numbness Tapered to 35mg Jan 2006 Tapering by 2.5mg every 2-3 weeks Down to 18mg April 2006 Starting to wake up and feel again!! Tapering by .5 to 1mg at a time Down to 8mg Sept 2006 Down to 5mg late Nov 2006 Back up to 5.5mg late Dec 2006 Down to 3mg June 2007 Down to ZERO 16 September 2007 Stopped taking Murelax Jan 2006 Weight loss: 15kg since Sept 2006

03-17-2007, 08:49 AM	#2
silence4now Join Date: May 2004 Location: SE U.S. Posts: 3,422	Re: SLEEP, need sleep Magnesium and Calms forte. __________________ Lisa - Paxil free since May 2004 _________________________________ God's economy is always positive.

03-17-2007, 09:51 PM	#3
wendywoo Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: England Posts: 109	Re: SLEEP, need sleep Kelli, sorry don't have any anwers but plenty of sympathy. It's nearly 3am in the UK and I cannot sleep for the 2nd night running - and the restless legs is a HUGE part of that. I had gone through a good(ish) spell where at least I had cut out daytime naps (vicious circle) but I am on a downward sleep spiral again. I feel for you ! __________________ SEROXAT 20mg since 1999/2000 during marriage breakdown. Started taper July 2005 from 20mg. Very slow taper on liquid seroxat. Last dose 26 August 2007. Now seroxat free!

03-18-2007, 08:40 AM	#4
jeanie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NC Posts: 873	Re: SLEEP, need sleep I took calms forte last night....didn't work for me __________________ Jeanie Nov 4th started the weaning process 10-5 mg Nov. 28th---2.5 mg Dec. 26th--1.25mg Jan 7th----ZERO Scripts taking-ZERO Paxil made me feel sleepy, content and nonchalant. Supplements- Multivitamin, B complex, C, Fish oil, magnesium citrate and E. Therapy- attending church, listening to Christian music and praying. Thank you, PAXILPROGRESS I can do all things thru Christ, who strengthens me.

03-18-2007, 09:37 AM	#5
akaenew Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 500	Re: SLEEP, need sleep Ducktail- I feel for you also. Insomnia has been one of my worst symptoms. I would just go days without sleeping. I found nothing to help. except about once a week I would just have to take xanax. Like you, I was really concerned about getting hooked on something for sleep. It's gotten better now. I can pretty much count on getting sleep every night now. I have not taken xanax in 6 weeks. I realize this isn't what you would call "encouraging" but my point is that it does get better. To be honest, I was probably 6 months out before I could bank on sleeping at least for awhile every night. Last night I went to sleep within 15 minutes and slept pretty much for 8 hours. I don't think it is "normal" sleep yet, but it is refreshing and, important to me, several hours of "healing" go by that I am unaware of. It sucks- I send all my empathy. I don't know what you have to handle during the day....... therefore it may not be an option to go days without sleep for you (I actually would go several days with no sleep) but it does get better if you can just hang on. Nasty, nasty stuff, this paxil. I just send all my best wishes, for the small part that it is worth to you in the middle of the night. I hope for you. akaenew __________________ Akaenew Paxil since July, 1994 As much as 20mg daily 10mg daily for most of 12 years Alternated 5mg and 7.5mg daily ~ last 2 years 5mg daily June, July 2006 2.5 mg daily couple days end of July Last dose of paxil 7-31-06

03-18-2007, 11:03 AM	#6
texgirl The original" F$%^you "gal, from the cranky corner! Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,977	Re: SLEEP, need sleep I had a lot of trouble with restless legs while on Paxil and in early w/d. I would wake up practically running in place in bed. As I got farther from my last dose, this symptom eventually went away. I'm sure this has been discussed on other threads, but IMO, RLS is a condition that's directly attributable to Paxil (or other SSRI) use, and it's no coincidence that the drug currently being touted to treat it is manufactured by GSK. __________________ Completely free from psychiatry since 8/5/07 If we are fools enough to remain at the mercy of the people who want to sell us happiness, it will be impossible for us to ever be content with anything. How would they profit if we became content? (Thomas Merton)

03-20-2007, 03:40 AM	#7
ducktail Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 334	Re: SLEEP, need sleep Thanks everyone, I'm pretty strung out at the mo- have had a huge change in routine to cope with as well. Not coping today. I had trouble with RLS before paxil. I take all the supplements, as well have started taking iron as recommended on the RLS website. It does actually seem to help. I am anxious about our new routine, I know we will probably adjust, we have to be early to bed early to rise, and when I haven't had any sleep it's kinda hard to do. During the day my routine varies with the kids activities, housework, shopping, appointments, volunteer work etc, the days are long. Thanks again to all replies, you know I really appreciate it. You guys are a lifeline. Kelli __________________ Started Aropax 40mg June 1997 Aropax causes me extreme lethargy, brain fog, weight gain, emotional numbness Tapered to 35mg Jan 2006 Tapering by 2.5mg every 2-3 weeks Down to 18mg April 2006 Starting to wake up and feel again!! Tapering by .5 to 1mg at a time Down to 8mg Sept 2006 Down to 5mg late Nov 2006 Back up to 5.5mg late Dec 2006 Down to 3mg June 2007 Down to ZERO 16 September 2007 Stopped taking Murelax Jan 2006 Weight loss: 15kg since Sept 2006

03-20-2007, 05:55 AM	#8
fiddaman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 292	Re: SLEEP, need sleep I've been Seroxat free for over three years now and still have trouble with my sleep. During my time on Seroxat I was diagnosed with Sleep Apnoea and was given a CPAP machine - basically a mask that floods your airways with a continuous flow of air. Not long after I quit Seroxat - I found I didn't need the CPAP anymore. Like many others I gained weight whilst on Seroxat and many peeps overweight can develop sleep apnoea. Thankfully, I don't have to wear that mask anymore and feel like sumpin out of a Star Wars movie. Since I have been Seroxat free I have lost 3 stone in weight - I'm no Brad Pitt but I'm no Luciano Pavorotti either __________________ Fid http://fiddaman.blogspot.com I think patients have nothing to fear from taking Seroxat. Dr. Alastair Benbow, GlaxoSmithKline’s European Medical Director 6/13/2002

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