Holistic Approach

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 09:30 PM

has any one tried holistic medicine for your anxiety, or for withdrawl. i have decided to quit paxil after 6 months..im going to try a holistic approach on tuesday morning, she's gonna dig into my brain.

imokay · 08-31-2007, 09:36 PM

bubbles what dose are you on?

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 09:53 PM

20mgs

imokay · 08-31-2007, 10:08 PM

bubbles you need to wean yourself off of paxil. you have been on it long enough for it to have an impact on your brain. please save yourself alot of sickness and wean.
what kind of holistic approach are you going to use? accupuncture, reiki (i LOVE reiki) supplements?

scotty · 08-31-2007, 10:12 PM

Bubbles, you need to wean. A holistic approach is great IF used in conjunction with slow weaning.

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:12 PM

im not sure what she's going to do. i go for a 90 minute interview so she can find out what is wrong with me and where the problem is comming from. it could be supplements but she also said she wants to try a hands on technique. she's emailing me some more info tomorrow. i'll be sure and post it here as well.

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:13 PM

im going to start weening tomorrow actually!! im nervous and excited about it

scotty · 08-31-2007, 10:14 PM

What's your weaning schedule?

TryingtoGetWell · 08-31-2007, 10:14 PM

I've been a strong believer in holistic therapies (many of them, anyway) for a long, long time. They can be much safer than conventional medicine.

However, a LOT of holistic modalities can make withdrawal or recovery after withdrawal worse. A great deal has been written about those things here, including threads in recent days.

Some holistic things will probably help you a lot, but some your body will be hypersensitive to and cause bad reactions, and most health care practitioners aren't aware of this.

What will work for you will depend on your individual biochemistry and whatever hypersensitivities you may have developed as a result of paxil. Don't rule out some holistic therapies, some can really ease withdrawal symptoms as well as anxiety. But you need to be aware that you'll need to be more careful in what you try than people who aren't dealing with paxil or withdrawal issues.

Katesmom · 08-31-2007, 10:15 PM

Research EVERYTHING thoroughly before you ingest it. If you start taking supplements, add them one at a time, titrating up the doses. We all react differently to them, esp. when combined with w/d. Take it slow and easy!

imokay · 08-31-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbles

im not sure what she's going to do. i go for a 90 minute interview so she can find out what is wrong with me and where the problem is comming from. it could be supplements but she also said she wants to try a hands on technique. she's emailing me some more info tomorrow. i'll be sure and post it here as well.

the hands on technique will probably be either reiki or polarity..they both feel REALLY good ask her if she does smudging too. I cant wait to hear what she is going to do. But PLEASE remember you really need to wean.

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:17 PM

i talked to my pharmasist and she told me to cut my dose in half for a couple weeks and then take that half dose every other day....

scotty · 08-31-2007, 10:20 PM

NOT a good schedule!! Skipping days is NEVER a good idea. A consistent daily dose is critical to prevent going in and out of withdrawal. Consider going down by 2.5mg and stay there for at least 3-4 weeks. If that goes ok, then wean again by 2.5mg. Cutting by half is way to big a drop.

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:22 PM

hmmmmm...what would happen if i just bit the bullet and dropped that much and suffered it out?

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:22 PM

it couldnt be worse then what i was going through before i went on paxhell..cause it was AWFUL!!!!!!!!!

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:24 PM

and my pharmasist said thats how she weened off welbutrin

scotty · 08-31-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbles

and my pharmasist said thats how she weened off welbutrin

Wellbutrin and Paxil are two completely different drugs with different actions. Toughing it out isn't what weaning is all about. It's about being able to function while getting off the Paxil, and giving your brain the dose and time it needs to make the slow adjustements back to normal. The reality is the faster the wean...the worse the symptoms and the longer the recovery.

TryingtoGetWell · 08-31-2007, 10:30 PM

SSRIs are not wellbutrin, and also everybody responds differently to withdrawal. You may not feel the effects of withdrawal for a while; that's what happened with me and some other people in this group.

Paxil and other SSRI withdrawals are completely different from most drug withdrawals. Removing the toxin from you body is the least of it. It's the recovery afterward that can be the hardest, and your brain and body can be thrown into chaos if you are one of the many who are sensitive to withdrawal.

I didn't know to do a slow taper, and I wish so much that I had done it that way. Believe me, for some of us who have bad reactions to withdrawal, what we go through afterward, and for some time, is far worse than anything we were put on the drug for. Most health care professionals are NOT aware of this.

Please do yourself a kindness and err on the side of caution, by doing a slow, safe taper in which your brain has time to adjust to the changes in small increments and heal before the next small drop in dose, rather than being hit with changes it can't readily deal with and which can last a long time.

Katesmom · 08-31-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbles

hmmmmm...what would happen if i just bit the bullet and dropped that much and suffered it out?

That was my schedule exactly.

I just posted about the result the other night in post #25 of this thread:

http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...ad.php?t=30303

I wouldn't wish my experience on anyone!

TryingtoGetWell · 08-31-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Katesmom

I wouldn't wish my experience on anyone!

Well said. Neither would I.

Please take care.

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:33 PM

so how about i cut the 20mgs into a 15mgs for a while, then 10 then 5?

bubbles · 08-31-2007, 10:38 PM

i think that might be ok taper, for being on it for just 6 months?? right???

Katesmom · 08-31-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbles

so how about i cut the 20mgs into a 15mgs for a while, then 10 then 5?

Remember to think of every cut as a percentage of current dose. 20 to 15 is a 25% cut. You might be able to manage that, might not. 10 to 5 is 50% and that is too much for most people. 2.5mg tapers are the most I would ever recommend under 30mg. It's even better with the liquid so that you can keep your tapers to 10%. Most people find 10% an okay taper. Some have to make smaller cuts, but most can do 10% and still function in their lives. That's the goal here--to be able to function in your life whilst tapering.

Katesmom · 08-31-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbles

i think that might be ok taper, for being on it for just 6 months?? right???

delynbetter was on for 7 months and she tapered with the liquid. She had some rough days. Once you have made those changes to the brain, withdrawal becomes a probability.

scotty · 08-31-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Katesmom

That's the goal here--to be able to function in your life whilst tapering.

Exactly! Faster is only going to make it MUCH more uncomfortable. Look at it this way. You can wean rapidly, be miserable, and have it take 6-18 months to recover post wean. OR you can wean over 4 months, be reasonably comfortable and feel considerably better within about a year. Same time frame, much easier on the brain and your life.

08-31-2007, 09:30 PM	#1
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Holistic Approach has any one tried holistic medicine for your anxiety, or for withdrawl. i have decided to quit paxil after 6 months..im going to try a holistic approach on tuesday morning, she's gonna dig into my brain.

08-31-2007, 09:53 PM	#3
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach 20mgs

08-31-2007, 10:08 PM	#4
imokay Sometimes ya just gotta say F$%^ YOU! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 6,893	Re: Holistic Approach bubbles you need to wean yourself off of paxil. you have been on it long enough for it to have an impact on your brain. please save yourself alot of sickness and wean. what kind of holistic approach are you going to use? accupuncture, reiki (i LOVE reiki) supplements? __________________ CALLY PAXIL FREE October 7, 2009

08-31-2007, 10:12 PM	#5
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: Holistic Approach Bubbles, you need to wean. A holistic approach is great IF used in conjunction with slow weaning. __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

08-31-2007, 10:12 PM	#6
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach im not sure what she's going to do. i go for a 90 minute interview so she can find out what is wrong with me and where the problem is comming from. it could be supplements but she also said she wants to try a hands on technique. she's emailing me some more info tomorrow. i'll be sure and post it here as well.

08-31-2007, 09:36 PM	#2
imokay Sometimes ya just gotta say F$%^ YOU! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 6,893	Re: Holistic Approach bubbles what dose are you on? __________________ CALLY PAXIL FREE October 7, 2009

08-31-2007, 10:13 PM	#7
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach im going to start weening tomorrow actually!! im nervous and excited about it

08-31-2007, 10:14 PM	#8
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: Holistic Approach What's your weaning schedule? __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

08-31-2007, 10:14 PM	#9
TryingtoGetWell Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,008	Re: Holistic Approach I've been a strong believer in holistic therapies (many of them, anyway) for a long, long time. They can be much safer than conventional medicine. However, a LOT of holistic modalities can make withdrawal or recovery after withdrawal worse. A great deal has been written about those things here, including threads in recent days. Some holistic things will probably help you a lot, but some your body will be hypersensitive to and cause bad reactions, and most health care practitioners aren't aware of this. What will work for you will depend on your individual biochemistry and whatever hypersensitivities you may have developed as a result of paxil. Don't rule out some holistic therapies, some can really ease withdrawal symptoms as well as anxiety. But you need to be aware that you'll need to be more careful in what you try than people who aren't dealing with paxil or withdrawal issues. __________________ 5/93 - Started paxil after 6 years sensory distortions from benzo WD (+ chronic medical problems/pain) 20 mg/day; yrs later 15 mg 3/30/06 - 20 mg 4/21/06 - 15 mg 4/27/06 - 10 mg 5/17/06 - 5 mg (none taken 5/20) 5/21-24/06 - 2.5 mg (5/22 - none taken) 5/25/06 - d/c’d paroxetine Felt better than in years, then gradual WD symptoms 6/17/06 - Bolted awake in blind terror, started E-ticket ride to hell 9/08 - Varying degrees of improvement; still on the ride Still on 0.5 mg clonazepam

08-31-2007, 10:15 PM	#10
Katesmom Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 13,706	Re: Holistic Approach Research EVERYTHING thoroughly before you ingest it. If you start taking supplements, add them one at a time, titrating up the doses. We all react differently to them, esp. when combined with w/d. Take it slow and easy! __________________ Katesmom aka Kim started Paxil Oct. 2003 for PIH Paxil free since 19 Jul 2005 ". . .the cruelest lies are often told without a word. . .the kindest truths are often spoken, never heard." -- Ben Folds

08-31-2007, 10:17 PM	#12
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach i talked to my pharmasist and she told me to cut my dose in half for a couple weeks and then take that half dose every other day....

08-31-2007, 10:20 PM	#13
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: Holistic Approach NOT a good schedule!! Skipping days is NEVER a good idea. A consistent daily dose is critical to prevent going in and out of withdrawal. Consider going down by 2.5mg and stay there for at least 3-4 weeks. If that goes ok, then wean again by 2.5mg. Cutting by half is way to big a drop. __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

08-31-2007, 10:22 PM	#14
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach hmmmmm...what would happen if i just bit the bullet and dropped that much and suffered it out?

08-31-2007, 10:22 PM	#15
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach it couldnt be worse then what i was going through before i went on paxhell..cause it was AWFUL!!!!!!!!!

08-31-2007, 10:24 PM	#16
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach and my pharmasist said thats how she weened off welbutrin

08-31-2007, 10:30 PM	#18
TryingtoGetWell Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,008	Re: Holistic Approach SSRIs are not wellbutrin, and also everybody responds differently to withdrawal. You may not feel the effects of withdrawal for a while; that's what happened with me and some other people in this group. Paxil and other SSRI withdrawals are completely different from most drug withdrawals. Removing the toxin from you body is the least of it. It's the recovery afterward that can be the hardest, and your brain and body can be thrown into chaos if you are one of the many who are sensitive to withdrawal. I didn't know to do a slow taper, and I wish so much that I had done it that way. Believe me, for some of us who have bad reactions to withdrawal, what we go through afterward, and for some time, is far worse than anything we were put on the drug for. Most health care professionals are NOT aware of this. Please do yourself a kindness and err on the side of caution, by doing a slow, safe taper in which your brain has time to adjust to the changes in small increments and heal before the next small drop in dose, rather than being hit with changes it can't readily deal with and which can last a long time. __________________ 5/93 - Started paxil after 6 years sensory distortions from benzo WD (+ chronic medical problems/pain) 20 mg/day; yrs later 15 mg 3/30/06 - 20 mg 4/21/06 - 15 mg 4/27/06 - 10 mg 5/17/06 - 5 mg (none taken 5/20) 5/21-24/06 - 2.5 mg (5/22 - none taken) 5/25/06 - d/c’d paroxetine Felt better than in years, then gradual WD symptoms 6/17/06 - Bolted awake in blind terror, started E-ticket ride to hell 9/08 - Varying degrees of improvement; still on the ride Still on 0.5 mg clonazepam

08-31-2007, 10:33 PM	#21
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach so how about i cut the 20mgs into a 15mgs for a while, then 10 then 5?

08-31-2007, 10:38 PM	#22
bubbles Join Date: May 2007 Location: canada Posts: 62	Re: Holistic Approach i think that might be ok taper, for being on it for just 6 months?? right???

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