bloodwork results...

pax80 · 03-27-2008, 07:51 AM

Hi.
My latest blood work results indicate a high increase in the liver levels...

can this be related to copper toxicity?

http://www.advancedfamilyhealth.com/...cument.htm#_86

LCrawford67 · 03-27-2008, 08:57 AM

What do you mean "liver levels?"

Johnnny off Paxil · 03-27-2008, 09:23 AM

I think Paulo means they have found that his levels of copper are probably high , possibly borderline.

He will have to find a way to detox and to help restore his livers health, obviously it has suffered some significant stress and its now showing up in the bloodwork, not just in "patient symptoms" which are usually dismissed by Docs "slight of hand".

These are probably AST levels... this of course needs to be evaluated by a professional, it can mean many things.

Regards, Johnny

LCrawford67 · 03-27-2008, 09:39 AM

Ahhh....thank you! I wasn't sure.

daisyydaisy · 03-27-2008, 09:51 AM

Liver results...could be anything. But a safe way to clean out your liver is
fresh squeezed lemon juice every morning. No water added, no sugar added. Don't eat anything for 1/2 hour. Work your way from a small amount to more...for 2 weeks then take a week off.
I know my doctor checked my liver to make sure it was still processing the Paxil properly. It was all ok. It is possible the drug your on is too hard on your liver and needs a gentle de-tox. Lots of fruit and veggies

pax80 · 03-27-2008, 10:23 AM

I have these levels high for 3 years when wd hit hard... I need to detox and i have that info about the lemon juice therapy

acupuncture helped me detox too, it had put these levels almost normal, now they're way up high...

Johnnny off Paxil · 03-27-2008, 10:34 AM

Paulo, if you have a juicer..which helps..this is what I do every morning.

3 carrots, large
large chunk of ginger fresh root
small chunk of tumeric root..fresh

This has really helped my digestion and liver.
Your right about acupuncture helping with the liver detox....remember not to be too aggressive, or you will suffer a rebound effect.

Regards, Johnny

pax80 · 03-27-2008, 10:45 AM

that's right. I abandoned my acupuncture therapist because when we reached the part of detoxing, i was experiencing terrible pins and needles (sign of detox), he told me it was all in my head. I didnt like what he said and left.

pax80 · 03-27-2008, 10:47 AM

AST -38
ALT - 66
GGT - 93

what can this mean?

daisyydaisy · 03-27-2008, 02:47 PM

The only other thing i can think to think of is a european tea that my parents have used for cleansing the liver and kidneys. It has helped both of them avoid surgery for kidney stones. I would have never believed it if i didn't see it as we all know how wivetales are. But...this worked for them. The doctor was AMAZED. Its oat tea. Non sprayed horse oats. Use a pot full of water and let boil. Rinse 2 handfuls of oats in strainer. Put oats in water and let boil for 5 minutes. Simmer on medium-low for 50 minutes roughly. STRAIN the OATS FROM THE TEA. Throw out the used oats. Tea can be drunk cold or warm. Leave in fridge for 2 days so it doesnt' go bad. Drink this for a month. You can usually get NON SPRAYED HORSE OATS where they sell FARM tools. Up here in Canada we have UFA to buy from.

Johnnny off Paxil · 03-27-2008, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paxisnt4ever

AST -38
ALT - 66
GGT - 93

what can this mean?

Wow.. I can't tell you..that your going to have to ask an expert ..but your levels are high.

AST is normally 21
and ALT is usually at 24..... thats what mine were..even after the hell I went through.

GGT .. around 30 or so..so all are high..
So you need to ask your doctor about this and about the older tests and compare the results.

At this point, its best to go back to your doctor and see what she says, I would ask for an adrenal test at this point, thats all it could be...but I have zero knowledge on this except for what my tests showed.

Regards, Johnny

daisyydaisy · 03-27-2008, 02:50 PM

The size of the pot is a larger one. The kind for making spaghetti. (not the large stock pot however)

Cheers.

scotty · 03-27-2008, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paxisnt4ever

AST -38
ALT - 66
GGT - 93

what can this mean?

These are normal ranges for the above:

ALT 5-60
AST 5-43
GGT 5-80

You are just barely out of the normal range on two, the AST is normal. This is nothing to be concerned about.

pax80 · 03-27-2008, 04:53 PM

ok..ty

scotty · 03-27-2008, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paxisnt4ever

ok..ty

You're welcome! Liver enzymes can vary for a MULTITUDE of reasons. Time of day, viral illness, heredity, diet etc.......

pax80 · 03-28-2008, 05:59 AM

I have these levels since i began diazepam back in 2003...

scotty · 03-28-2008, 10:37 AM

Those numbers are something that most doc's wouldn't even look twice at. If a liver is damaged they would be MUCH higher than that.

silence4now · 03-28-2008, 11:04 AM

Why are you concerned about copper, specifically? Most of the time, the body takes care of it through normal metabolism and it doesn't accumulate unless you have a genetic disorder.

Are you taking any herbs that might stimulate liver enzymes?

pax80 · 03-28-2008, 01:00 PM

well, i dont know, everything seems to match, coincidence maybe...

leo79 · 03-28-2008, 05:33 PM

High copper levels and also a high copper/zinc ratio can cause a lot of problems. You might want to read up on this Paulo if that's what these results mean.

03-27-2008, 07:51 AM	#1
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	bloodwork results... Hi. My latest blood work results indicate a high increase in the liver levels... can this be related to copper toxicity? http://www.advancedfamilyhealth.com/...cument.htm#_86 __________________ 2002- 10mg diazepam(for a neck pain) 2003- 20mg seroxat(for benzo wd) 2005-stopped diazepam (1 year taper plus acupuncture) 2006-stopped paxil (1 year taper) 3 years free from drugs

03-27-2008, 08:57 AM	#2
LCrawford67 Moderator "Everybody poops" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 26,493	Re: bloodwork results... What do you mean "liver levels?" __________________ aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, "thank you," that would suffice. ~Meister Eckhart Thanksgiving, man. Not a good day to be my pants. ~Kevin James

03-27-2008, 09:23 AM	#3
Johnnny off Paxil Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Persona Non Grata... I am No Expert on Nothing Posts: 2,894	Re: bloodwork results... I think Paulo means they have found that his levels of copper are probably high , possibly borderline. He will have to find a way to detox and to help restore his livers health, obviously it has suffered some significant stress and its now showing up in the bloodwork, not just in "patient symptoms" which are usually dismissed by Docs "slight of hand". These are probably AST levels... this of course needs to be evaluated by a professional, it can mean many things. Regards, Johnny

03-27-2008, 09:39 AM	#4
LCrawford67 Moderator "Everybody poops" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 26,493	Re: bloodwork results... Ahhh....thank you! I wasn't sure. __________________ aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, "thank you," that would suffice. ~Meister Eckhart Thanksgiving, man. Not a good day to be my pants. ~Kevin James

03-27-2008, 09:51 AM	#5
daisyydaisy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 608	Re: bloodwork results... Liver results...could be anything. But a safe way to clean out your liver is fresh squeezed lemon juice every morning. No water added, no sugar added. Don't eat anything for 1/2 hour. Work your way from a small amount to more...for 2 weeks then take a week off. I know my doctor checked my liver to make sure it was still processing the Paxil properly. It was all ok. It is possible the drug your on is too hard on your liver and needs a gentle de-tox. Lots of fruit and veggies __________________ "Truth is what stands the test of experience" (Einstein) Feb. 21-08 Paxil 25.0 - 22.5mg March 27-08 20.0mg May 2-08 17.5mg june 5-08 15.0mg july 11-08 12.5mg nausea,heaving july 24-08 15.0mg bit better july 29-08 17.5mg bit better august 4-08 20mg and staying put Synthroid .075MG 2003

03-27-2008, 10:23 AM	#6
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	Re: bloodwork results... I have these levels high for 3 years when wd hit hard... I need to detox and i have that info about the lemon juice therapy acupuncture helped me detox too, it had put these levels almost normal, now they're way up high... __________________ 2002- 10mg diazepam(for a neck pain) 2003- 20mg seroxat(for benzo wd) 2005-stopped diazepam (1 year taper plus acupuncture) 2006-stopped paxil (1 year taper) 3 years free from drugs

03-27-2008, 10:34 AM	#7
Johnnny off Paxil Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Persona Non Grata... I am No Expert on Nothing Posts: 2,894	Re: bloodwork results... Paulo, if you have a juicer..which helps..this is what I do every morning. 3 carrots, large large chunk of ginger fresh root small chunk of tumeric root..fresh This has really helped my digestion and liver. Your right about acupuncture helping with the liver detox....remember not to be too aggressive, or you will suffer a rebound effect. Regards, Johnny

03-27-2008, 10:45 AM	#8
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	Re: bloodwork results... that's right. I abandoned my acupuncture therapist because when we reached the part of detoxing, i was experiencing terrible pins and needles (sign of detox), he told me it was all in my head. I didnt like what he said and left. __________________ 2002- 10mg diazepam(for a neck pain) 2003- 20mg seroxat(for benzo wd) 2005-stopped diazepam (1 year taper plus acupuncture) 2006-stopped paxil (1 year taper) 3 years free from drugs

03-27-2008, 10:47 AM	#9
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	Re: bloodwork results... AST -38 ALT - 66 GGT - 93 what can this mean? __________________ 2002- 10mg diazepam(for a neck pain) 2003- 20mg seroxat(for benzo wd) 2005-stopped diazepam (1 year taper plus acupuncture) 2006-stopped paxil (1 year taper) 3 years free from drugs

03-27-2008, 02:47 PM	#10
daisyydaisy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 608	Re: bloodwork results... The only other thing i can think to think of is a european tea that my parents have used for cleansing the liver and kidneys. It has helped both of them avoid surgery for kidney stones. I would have never believed it if i didn't see it as we all know how wivetales are. But...this worked for them. The doctor was AMAZED. Its oat tea. Non sprayed horse oats. Use a pot full of water and let boil. Rinse 2 handfuls of oats in strainer. Put oats in water and let boil for 5 minutes. Simmer on medium-low for 50 minutes roughly. STRAIN the OATS FROM THE TEA. Throw out the used oats. Tea can be drunk cold or warm. Leave in fridge for 2 days so it doesnt' go bad. Drink this for a month. You can usually get NON SPRAYED HORSE OATS where they sell FARM tools. Up here in Canada we have UFA to buy from. __________________ "Truth is what stands the test of experience" (Einstein) Feb. 21-08 Paxil 25.0 - 22.5mg March 27-08 20.0mg May 2-08 17.5mg june 5-08 15.0mg july 11-08 12.5mg nausea,heaving july 24-08 15.0mg bit better july 29-08 17.5mg bit better august 4-08 20mg and staying put Synthroid .075MG 2003

03-27-2008, 02:50 PM	#12
daisyydaisy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 608	Re: bloodwork results... The size of the pot is a larger one. The kind for making spaghetti. (not the large stock pot however) Cheers. __________________ "Truth is what stands the test of experience" (Einstein) Feb. 21-08 Paxil 25.0 - 22.5mg March 27-08 20.0mg May 2-08 17.5mg june 5-08 15.0mg july 11-08 12.5mg nausea,heaving july 24-08 15.0mg bit better july 29-08 17.5mg bit better august 4-08 20mg and staying put Synthroid .075MG 2003

03-27-2008, 04:53 PM	#14
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	Re: bloodwork results... ok..ty __________________ 2002- 10mg diazepam(for a neck pain) 2003- 20mg seroxat(for benzo wd) 2005-stopped diazepam (1 year taper plus acupuncture) 2006-stopped paxil (1 year taper) 3 years free from drugs

03-28-2008, 05:59 AM	#16
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	Re: bloodwork results... I have these levels since i began diazepam back in 2003... __________________ 2002- 10mg diazepam(for a neck pain) 2003- 20mg seroxat(for benzo wd) 2005-stopped diazepam (1 year taper plus acupuncture) 2006-stopped paxil (1 year taper) 3 years free from drugs

03-28-2008, 10:37 AM	#17
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: bloodwork results... Those numbers are something that most doc's wouldn't even look twice at. If a liver is damaged they would be MUCH higher than that. __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

03-28-2008, 11:04 AM	#18
silence4now Join Date: May 2004 Location: SE U.S. Posts: 3,422	Re: bloodwork results... Why are you concerned about copper, specifically? Most of the time, the body takes care of it through normal metabolism and it doesn't accumulate unless you have a genetic disorder. Are you taking any herbs that might stimulate liver enzymes? __________________ Lisa - Paxil free since May 2004 _________________________________ God's economy is always positive.

03-28-2008, 01:00 PM	#19
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	Re: bloodwork results... well, i dont know, everything seems to match, coincidence maybe... __________________ 2002- 10mg diazepam(for a neck pain) 2003- 20mg seroxat(for benzo wd) 2005-stopped diazepam (1 year taper plus acupuncture) 2006-stopped paxil (1 year taper) 3 years free from drugs

03-28-2008, 05:33 PM	#20
leo79 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 1,388	Re: bloodwork results... High copper levels and also a high copper/zinc ratio can cause a lot of problems. You might want to read up on this Paulo if that's what these results mean. __________________ Poisoned by SSRIs.

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