depression return

[matthew T]

They past two weeks I felt the best I ever have in decades, really. Then 48 hours ago depression set in with a vengeance.
only thing that has changed is I started back on testosterone cream a few weeks ago, and maybe an increase in caffeine.
can caffien trigger severe depression?

i am currently on 200 wellbutrin and 10 lexapro., I think the AD meds are really keeping me from healing mentally like I need to.
Sometimes I wish I had opiates to give me relief. I am thinking of asking for lithium, I know its wrong, but I need some relief

The same happened with me. Depression was coming, but hit in severely over 48 hours. Not good~! Just try to relax, that's what I'm trying to do and just get on with things.

See your friends, go to work, eat healthy.

[matthew T]

I cant stand this. Somethings wrong, I get a couple great weeks then depressed beyond belief for a week,?
I have hormone issues. But I am working on that.
No f....ing way I can go like this for the rest of my life. These AD meds must be doing this. I have been on AD meds for 2/1/2 years, I dont recall being this bad before then

[LCrawford67]

If you were feeling fine, then started testerone cream and caffeine, obviously something there isn't agreeing with you.

Because testerone is a hormone, I'd be very wary of that during this time. Frankly, I'd stop them both and see how you feel.

[matthew T]

I am sorry I come here only when feeling bad, I leave when I feel good. Frankly, this site is upsetting, like , theres is no end in site. Too much of this place is bad for me.
I have never done street drugs before , but gets real tempting during these valleys. Sometimes I think, I am 45 , I could be a junky for the next 20 years if I could get reilief from opiates of some sort

[LCrawford67]

It can be overwhelming, but that's because, like you, people mainly come here when they're feeling bad and need support. However, there are plenty of people here who have been through all of this and made it to the other side.

There's certainly no need to apologize, but again, if you were feeling fine up until a couple of days ago, and those were the two changes you've made in your life, then I'd take the bet that one (if not both) of them is the root of your current troubles.

[leo79]

It could be the testosterone cream for sure.

In terms of opiates, you might want to try DL-phenylalanine which is an amino acid that boost the endogenous opoid system in the body in a similar way to opiates do.
I know there is now thinking about depression in some people that it is due to opoid deficiency and so they give people Oxycontin etc. but this is not the way to go. Acupuncture, exercise and DL-PA are a better bet.

[Katesmom]

If you were feeling 'super-duper' good, then it's very possible, even likely that you were experiencing our old friend hypermania. It is common in withdrawal. It doesn't have the high-highs of mania nor does it have the impulsive and risk taking behavior. It just feels like, "Wow, YEAH, THIS IS EXACTLY how I ought to feel ALL of the time!!!" But, it is always followed by a low. Always. That is so common in withdrawal. Neither sensation is 'real.' Just good old withdrawal.

[matthew T]

''you might want to try DL-phenylalanine which is an amino acid''

anyone use this stuff he mentioned?

Katesmom, hypo mania? thats news to me. But yes , I felt exactly like you said in your post.

is lithium an answer to these ups and downs?

[leo79]

I wouldn't take lithium. Maybe Lamictal. Infact If I had to go back over this mess again I would take Lamictal as my daily mood swings were beyond horrific. There is no point suffering like that. I don't know where you're at, it depends on how bad it is. Fish oil and Zinc have proven mood stabilising properties which you may want to try.

[matthew T]

Originally Posted by leo79

It could be the testosterone cream for sure.

In terms of opiates, you might want to try DL-phenylalanine which is an amino acid that boost the endogenous opoid system in the body in a similar way to opiates do.
I know there is now thinking about depression in some people that it is due to opoid deficiency and so they give people Oxycontin etc. but this is not the way to go. Acupuncture, exercise and DL-PA are a better bet.

is this product over thew counter, why has not others on here used it?
is L-Phenylalanine THE SAME AS dl-Phenylalanine ?

[matthew T]

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[texgirl]

Withdrawal from psych meds mimics bipolar so closely that scores of people are misdiagnosed. Adding lithium is just going to keep you on the merry-go-round. Remove the meds, the mood swings disappear.

[leo79]

DL-PA is not the same as L-PA. Only DL has pain relieving properties. Both are anti-depressants though. I'm not saying this is some miracle cure as there isn't anything that will sort this mess out easily, just saying that it may help. I would probably try some opiate based pain-killers first to see what effect they have on you.

[scotty]

One cannot diagnose bipolar with a brain on three different drugs AND a hormone replacement. You currently have altered serotonin, dopamine, and testosterone. This is bound to create mood swings.

[matthew T]

i do not think i am bipolar, i made that post to show that there was no cure

[matthew T]

Originally Posted by leo79

DL-PA is not the same as L-PA. Only DL has pain relieving properties. Both are anti-depressants though. I'm not saying this is some miracle cure as there isn't anything that will sort this mess out easily, just saying that it may help. I would probably try some opiate based pain-killers first to see what effect they have on you.

are these over the counter meds or prescription?

[leo79]

Phenylalanine is over the counter. Most health food stores will have it. Opiate-based pain-killers? Well some are over the counter. I mean I'm only suggesting this as a test and so you can see if you get relief this way. If you then know that this is something that gives you relief you can try acupuncture, exercise and DL-PA. Some people get prescribed opiates for depression but I can't really see how that is viable long-term.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by leo79

Phenylalanine is over the counter. Most health food stores will have it. Opiate-based pain-killers? Well some are over the counter. I mean I'm only suggesting this as a test and so you can see if you get relief this way. If you then know that this is something that gives you relief you can try acupuncture, exercise and DL-PA. Some people get prescribed opiates for depression but I can't really see how that is viable long-term.

Opiates are depressives in their action, and one should never use an opiate unless prescribed by a physician for pain.

Phenylalanine, as evidenced by it's presence in aspartame, can be neurotoxic.

Mathew....there is no drugging your way out of this. It's the drugs that started this process, and it's getting off the drugs safely that will end it.

[daisyydaisy]

i know those creams can make a person feel ILL or they really just 'don't agree' with a person.
Yes caffeine can trigger it BIG TIME. Say goodbye....and mourn. No decaf and no pop, no white sugar I mean it...its hard...i know....its soo hard.
Your body just can't take the extra STRESS right now...its trying to recover...its trying to get ahead. The less the better....the more natural the better. Exercise, fruit, yoga, breathing, journal writing, lavender oil works wonders, group therapy.

[Songbird]

I would be wary of phenylalanine. It is converted to tyrosine, which is used to make dopamine and norepinephrine. It also competes with tryptophan, which could affect serotonin production. As we all know by now, messing with neurotransmitters is a dangerous game.

You are already in a poly-drug situation, I don't think adding more drugs is the answer.

[matthew T]

Originally Posted by daisyydaisy

i know those creams can make a person feel ILL or they really just 'don't agree' with a person.
Yes caffeine can trigger it BIG TIME. Say goodbye....and mourn. No decaf and no pop, no white sugar I mean it...its hard...i know....its soo hard.
Your body just can't take the extra STRESS right now...its trying to recover...its trying to get ahead. The less the better....the more natural the better. Exercise, fruit, yoga, breathing, journal writing, lavender oil works wonders, group therapy.

I have had a bunch of icecream, pop and tea lately, I usually do not eat icecream, do you think that could have triggered this episode?

[daisyydaisy]

Pop and tea would definately add to the everything u've taken to trigger the episode. Its a bunch of junk food so to speak that your body to to get rid of *another thing for it to deal with* Ice cream has tons of sugar in it and I know for some people can make them ILL. I think the sugar part would get you on a nice high...BUT when you plummeted the anxiety returned from the crash because of what you drank etc. Its hard to say....as you have many X Factors. I would discontinue the pop, tea, ice cream and see how u feel just on the cream. If you still feel aweful in another 1-2 weeks then you know its the cream.
I know that for ladies using certain cream during menopause makes them feel shaky, jittery etc inside. HONESTLY i highly suspect it is the cream AND everything else you ate/drank added to the effect of it.

[safarigal]

Its really important during withdrawal to maintain steady blood sugar levels. It could be that you are making your blood sugar level go all over the place with pop and ice cream.

If you eat a healthy, balanced diet you will feel better.

Stay away from additives such as MSG and definately stay away from artificial sweeteners such as aspartame.

Kick the sugar habit and something healthy every couple of hours.

Opiates are dangerous. Don't even think about them.

[matthew T]

I am feeling better after only 48 hours, amazing
stopped the soda and tea and ice cream. Had a head ache from no caffiene today and yesterday

thinking of going back on the testosterone cream