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Old 07-30-2008, 11:06 PM   #1
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Why i feel so bad in the morning?

You know i'm restarting paxil ( 20 mg) after a big " zoloft-mistake" lasted 8 days.
Ok, i'm back on paxil since 3 days, i take some lorazepam as well because i'm going crazy...but the worst thing is the morning. On 6 a.m i wake up with abdominal pain and need immediately a toilet. I got nausea and vomiting too.
Eating is almost impossible, so i feel extremely weak.
I can't rest well...
What can i do?
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Re: Why i feel so bad in the morning?

how were you feeling overall before you went to zoloft? i'm just wondering if you were ok for the most part on the lower dose of paxil... it may be shocking your body by taking the full dose again.. just a possibility. I know switching these drugs is an absolute hell... are you vomiting within 30-60 minutes of taking the drug?
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Old 07-31-2008, 02:03 AM   #3
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Re: Why i feel so bad in the morning?

i had a panick attack on 7th july, as i was on 10 mg of paxil. I wanna say...i din't feel very well even before the "mess" i've made with zoloft etc...
My doc says now i have to take 20 mgs daparox and wait for it to function.
No, i do vomit before taking meds in the morning just when i wake up. Then i have some retching but i keep the meds in my stomach!
Please tell me that this hell will stop, i can't stand it no more!
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Re: Why i feel so bad in the morning?

Sadly, this is a normal part of w/d. It's going to take some time for your body to readjust.

Cortisol levels are at their highest in the mornings, which is generally why we feel so bad.
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:01 AM   #5
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Re: Why i feel so bad in the morning?

Ok laurie, so you think it's normal? I'm starting to think this hell will never end! I need your support, i want to know that everything will be ok, and my case isn't a " limit" one.
Did anyone of you pass through this i'm experiencing now?
I feel such silly!
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Morning were always the worst for Ryan!
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Ok laurie, so you think it's normal? I'm starting to think this hell will never end! I need your support, i want to know that everything will be ok, and my case isn't a " limit" one.
Did anyone of you pass through this i'm experiencing now?
I feel such silly!
i've switched drugs numerous times... it's normal to feel this way when you switch. It's frustrating feeling like your doctor is just giving up on you telling you to take 20mg and wait for it to function. Do you feel any better now than when you went back to 10? I think you would have done the same if you went back to the dose you were on before you took zoloft.. all the extra dose is doing is getting you used to more of the drug again.

I've seen you mention a few times that your anxiety will never go away... i know it feels like that right now and I don't know if you were told this at your doctor, (you need a drug like a diabetic etc..) but it is possible to get over anxiety without a drug. I was on different ssri's for about 10 years and 3mg of xanax if you can believe that.. (which is about 6mg of lorazepam)..
My anxiety and fear was absolutely horrible coming out of that drug induced coma... and it's much better now. I have my problems but the majority of my problems aren't regular anxiety, but the effects of having taken drugs. I know it's frightening but anxiety by itself is nothing, there is no danger in a panic attack.. It's hard right now though because you're dealing with the influence of the drugs. I have an anxiety link in my signature if you want to read it.. maybe they have italian translations of the books i have listed there. But never believe you have to live with this and condemn yourself to that diagnosis.
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Ok laurie, so you think it's normal? I'm starting to think this hell will never end! I need your support, i want to know that everything will be ok, and my case isn't a " limit" one.
Did anyone of you pass through this i'm experiencing now?
I feel such silly!
Normal for w/d, absolutely!

You're not silly at all! It's very scary when you're the one going through it. Believe me, we've all been there and this will be ok. But, you do have to give this time, have some patience, and focus on other things. The constant worrying over it only makes things worse.
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Re: Why i feel so bad in the morning?

thank you scott and laurie...the fact is...i'm scared that paxil won't function again...and at that point...what should i do? Beeing recovered is a solution? where? I don't trust doctors!
Anyway i keep on working and doing my job the best as i can, but i swear i feel like pushing a mountain uphill
So you think this i'm experiencing is only w/d?
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That's absolutely what this is, Anja. Don't wait for something to happen that may never.
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I have my problems but the majority of my problems aren't regular anxiety, but the effects of having taken drugs. I know it's frightening but anxiety by itself is nothing, there is no danger in a panic attack.. never believe you have to live with this and condemn yourself to that diagnosis.
Amen, Scott! Great post and I agree with this totally. Anja, what you're going through now is not organic anxiety, but a result of all the meds in your system. Allow your brain to sort everything out and then taper slowly. I think you'll be surprised at how much better you feel.
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P.S. Vitamin C in large doses can counteract the cortisol rush you get in the mornings. I take 1,000 mg a day, timed release. It helps.
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I still get the morning anxiety off an on Anja. It is very normal. I went through a long period last summer when I was like you, as soon as I woke up I had to go immediately to the bathroom. And usually a few more times after that too. Completely normal. I hope you feel better soon.
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Mornings are awful for me too. It is almost like a switch is flipped around noon and I turn into a totally different person.
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Thank you people! mornings weren't so awful for me till thiss terrible mess has happened...Now i'm afraid to go to bed !
My problem is i have to pretend everything is right with parents and lots of people around me...expecially my father can't stand my complaints...and i need to complain with almost everyone! ( i'm a very social person...ih ih ih...)
ps: tex, there's a peculiar kind of vitamin C that does function better than others?
I've tried magnesium citrate but caused diarrhea....
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tex, there's a peculiar kind of vitamin C that does function better than others?
I've tried magnesium citrate but caused diarrhea....
I don't think there's a particular brand that's better than any other. I just know that it's important to get timed release vitamin C so that the cortisol-fighting benefits are released slowly throughout the day, rather than dumped into your system all at once. (All at once won't hurt anything, but it probably won't work as well.)

How much mag citrate were you taking? I only take 1/2 teaspoon per night, but it does help.
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thank you scott and laurie...the fact is...i'm scared that paxil won't function again...and at that point...what should i do? Beeing recovered is a solution? where? I don't trust doctors!
Anyway i keep on working and doing my job the best as i can, but i swear i feel like pushing a mountain uphill
So you think this i'm experiencing is only w/d?
i do think that's what you're feeling... the drugs aren't identical so you're dealing with quitting one, starting another, the affects of both, quitting the other, and restarting the first... it's hard on the body. Honestly i think you'd feel better in a few weeks on the dose you last took of paxil, the 10mg... but if you feel comfortable on 20mg, only you know how you feel.

Can i ask an off topic question? who is the person in your avatar? is it a singer? and the place you live is so beautiful!
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P.S. Vitamin C in large doses can counteract the cortisol rush you get in the mornings. I take 1,000 mg a day, timed release. It helps.
also magnesium is great for nerves... if you're not taking that yet, you should try it.. citrate or glycinate, not oxide.
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there's a peculiar kind of vitamin C that does function better than others?
I've tried magnesium citrate but caused diarrhea....
time release, or ester-c is better because your body will dump what it doesn't need if you take too much at once.. so one that lasts longer is better.
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also magnesium is great for nerves... if you're not taking that yet, you should try it.. citrate or glycinate, not oxide.
Hey Scott, sorry to hijack the thread but why is oxide not preferred? I took some of that when I ran out of citrate. I thought I was just use it up.
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Hi Anja,

I dont really have any advice,as I have just started tapering off paxil,but just wanted to say I hope this passes soon and you start to feel better.

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Hey Scott, sorry to hijack the thread but why is oxide not preferred? I took some of that when I ran out of citrate. I thought I was just use it up.
Not Scott, but I an answer that one. The body doesn't absorb the oxide version well. Most is lost to digestion. Citrate and glycinate are much more readily absorbed and used by the body.
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Hey Scott, sorry to hijack the thread but why is oxide not preferred? I took some of that when I ran out of citrate. I thought I was just use it up.
it's better than nothing but the oxide seems to be the least absorbable kind.. and the type with the most chance for digestive side effects. It's like calcium carbonate.. if you walk into a health store and simply look for calcium, you'll mostly see that kind.. same with magnesium, you'll mostly see oxide.. because it's cheapest to produce and most people don't know to look for the other types.. they just simply look for magnesium. I took oxide for awhile and didn't have a problem but i've been on citrate for a few years. If citrate doesn't work then try the magnesium glycinate which is supposedly the best form. I haven't tried that kind though.
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Thanks everybody!
Scott, the one in the avatar it's...me. And... yes, i'm a singer too!
My doctor says i have to take 20 mgs again, not 10...Oh my God! Who do i have to trust? If i only could find an HONEST psychiatrist!!!
ps: Yes Scott, the place where i live is very beautyful...in this season is full of americans ...ihihiihh!!!( i'm employee in a winery!)
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you have to trust yourself...... i've been on this site too long to know you can't always go with what the doctor says right away because most of the time they don't get it. Your doctor sees your increased anxiety and doesn't realize it's from quitting, starting, stopping, starting... so they go with what they know, take the drug. Unless you get a doctor that understands. So most people on this website wind up doing it themselves without the doctor's help. You have to go with how you feel. Do you feel ok on 20 again or should you go back to where you left off last time at 10? I can tell by the way you've posted that your anxiety will probably never go away that your doctor has probably told you you have some kind of chemical imbalance and you need the drugs like a diabetic needs insulin... but this is totally untrue. I was told the same thing and just believed him until I finally decided to learn on my own. I met other people who went to other doctors that understood what drugs can do to a person. Someone has to be wrong here, the doctor that says to take 20mg for life, or the one that helps the patient get off. Your situation doesn't change according to the doctor you go to, like you need their validation on it... It's when I saw so many people getting mixed diagnosis' from doctors that i realized i would have to do it on my own. You have to do what makes you feel most comfortable. It's important that you know if you don't want to take 20, you don't have to. I'm sorry, i know this is long.
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