help!

slinky · 08-19-2008, 11:43 PM

I've been frequenting this board for a while and finally decided to start a liquid taper after many tries of tapering with the pills which did not work. I was following the taper spreadsheet on this site; i'm on 20mg so i started taking the equivvalent dose in the liquid. I did this for like 4days and had no problems with the liquid.
Then i went down to 18mg and guess what, several days later boom i start feeling weird, that kind of weird that feels like the beginning of withdrawal, then the diarrhea and nausea. my question is how can this be that i'm experiencing withdrawal just by going down 10%!!!! and now what do i do? thanx

Scott · 08-19-2008, 11:49 PM

just give yourself time to adjust and don't go further until you're ready

tezwacker · 08-19-2008, 11:51 PM

Hi Slinky
10% is the general reduction plan, and might be too much for you. You definitely don't want to be suffering from your tapers. Maybe you could do a smaller percentage; maybe try 8% instead of 10.

Listen to your body and how it's responding to the drops; it'll tell you what it can or cannot handle. Others will chime in to offer their advice as well.

All the Best

explorer35 · 08-19-2008, 11:56 PM

From what I've read on here and what Roxy tells me, it is not uncommon. She feels it a few days after her drop and it lasts for a while. She is on a very slow taper to avoid these feelings and is also using liquid. Best of luck.

scotslass · 08-20-2008, 08:05 AM

Hi slinky,
That happened to me too when I went down a dosage but it does get better.I felt horrible for about a week then thing started to stabilise and I slowly felt better. Just give it time. Hope you feel better soon darlin'.

scotslass

14yrs 40mgs
c/t summer '07 severe w/d back on 40mgs
started tapering summer '08 down to 30mgs
just started 27mgs

jenny76 · 08-20-2008, 08:11 AM

Slinky,

This happened to me too, the w/d symptoms usually come in stages...it will get better. You know your body best so if you feel like this is too much of a drop, go slower or stay at a particular dose longer. This is not a race, take all the time you need. This will get better, I promise.

-Jenny

LarryJ · 08-20-2008, 08:20 AM

Slinky-

There is nothing that requires you to drop 10% at a time. For some (myself included) 10% at a time was simply just too much of a drop. If it were me, Id try 5% and see if things were better.

Remember the often repeated words on this site......the goal is to taper off the drug as confortably as possible. If this means going slowly, so be it.

slinky · 08-20-2008, 09:22 AM

thank you all so much for all your answers; it's just so frustrating! and I feel like I'm addicted to this stuff and dependent on it, it sux

but i am going to take the advice of going slower on the taper because i can't handle the withdrawal symptoms even for like a few days, i just feel too spacey and strange, so i basically just went back up to 20mg and am going to stay at that for a few days then restart the taper slower.
that spreadsheet is awesome btw, thanx to whoever put that up

slinky · 08-20-2008, 09:30 AM

oh i have another question; anyone know where to get a really accurate syringe cz i don't think the one i was using was cutting it; the pharmacist gave me some syringe but it's only whole numbers and i'm going to need one that has the halfway mark so I can taper more slowly now
thanx everyone again

LCrawford67 · 08-20-2008, 09:49 AM

Each tiny line is .1 milliliters. The longer line is 1 milliliter.

All syringes (that I've ever seen) only have whole numbers. If you're not sure how to measure, be sure to go to the pharmacist and ask.

scotty · 08-20-2008, 10:41 AM

Slinky, get a standard syringe(no needle required), not the oral ones that they usually hand out.

On this size syringe the little lines are .2ml. As you need more specific and tinier gradiations, a smaller syringe will work better...say a 3ml total volume syringe.

Fleet86 · 08-20-2008, 10:43 AM

As Laurie says, if you are in any doubt get the Pharacist to show you exactly how to measure the liquid. It does take a bit of getting used to but in the end it's so much easier and accurate than chipping the tablets. Oh and do be sure and shake the bottle really, really well before you measure your dose.

N

carolyn · 08-20-2008, 11:29 AM

slinky -- I had the same thing when I tried to taper my first time. This time I went to 6% tapers and the w/d symptoms are much reduced (no nausea or dizziness at all). Like everyone has said, sometimes 10% is just too much.

*hug*

Katesmom · 08-20-2008, 02:06 PM

Another bit of advice--shake that bottle VERY well! Otherwise, the dosage will be inconsistent. And, as someone else mentioned, you may have withdrawal symptoms for just a few days before you stablize. Don't panic because you feel something. Definitely taper by smaller amounts, but don't expect yourself to be symptom-free. After your first couple of tapers, you should know what to expect and be able to time your withdrawal issues to hit hardest on the days that you can be at home.

slinky · 08-20-2008, 05:24 PM

wow thank you all so much again; i don't know what i'd do without this board.

i'm def going to get that syringe; the other thing i was wondering is can i cut my 20mg tabs in half so that's 10mg then take the remainder (9mg) =4.5ml of liquid so at least i know i'm getting a solid 10mg , just cz i worry about mixing the liquid and not getting an accurate dose.

thank you everyone!

scotty · 08-20-2008, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slinky

wow thank you all so much again; i don't know what i'd do without this board.

i'm def going to get that syringe; the other thing i was wondering is can i cut my 20mg tabs in half so that's 10mg then take the remainder (9mg) =4.5ml of liquid so at least i know i'm getting a solid 10mg , just cz i worry about mixing the liquid and not getting an accurate dose.

thank you everyone!

Some have done this with no problems...other's have felt the difference. You can always try and see how it goes.

roxygirl · 08-20-2008, 06:03 PM

Hey Slinky! I think Liquid is the way to go, for me at least. I was chipping pills for awhile, but was never sure it was consistant. Follow the advice given, shake that bottle like mad! I didnt do that very well for about 2 days, and paid the price (terrible anxiety and diarreah). I started tapering with liquid at 25 mg, and realized I can NOT go any faster than .5-1mg at a time, which is just fine. I have learned the pattern of w/d within my body now, and know what to expect, and for how long. (for now!) DOnt be scared of your feelings, follow your body and brain. Good luck!

08-19-2008, 11:43 PM	#1
slinky Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	help! I've been frequenting this board for a while and finally decided to start a liquid taper after many tries of tapering with the pills which did not work. I was following the taper spreadsheet on this site; i'm on 20mg so i started taking the equivvalent dose in the liquid. I did this for like 4days and had no problems with the liquid. Then i went down to 18mg and guess what, several days later boom i start feeling weird, that kind of weird that feels like the beginning of withdrawal, then the diarrhea and nausea. my question is how can this be that i'm experiencing withdrawal just by going down 10%!!!! and now what do i do? thanx

08-19-2008, 11:49 PM	#2
Scott Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: somewhere in between Posts: 11,616	Re: help! just give yourself time to adjust and don't go further until you're ready __________________ Scott aka Scott What has happened to it all? Crazy, some are saying Where is the life that I recognize? Gone away But I won't cry for yesterday There's an ordinary world Somehow I have to find And as I try to make my way To the ordinary world I will learn to survive surviving an ssri reaction alternative anxiety treatments

08-19-2008, 11:51 PM	#3
tezwacker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: WA State - Orting Posts: 240	Re: help! Hi Slinky 10% is the general reduction plan, and might be too much for you. You definitely don't want to be suffering from your tapers. Maybe you could do a smaller percentage; maybe try 8% instead of 10. Listen to your body and how it's responding to the drops; it'll tell you what it can or cannot handle. Others will chime in to offer their advice as well. All the Best __________________ Terri Began taking Paxil for Blushing in October 2004 Jan '08 Doctor weaned me from 37.5mg to 0mg in a four week span - Total Disaster!!! Stabilized at 20 mg and switched to liquid form MARCH 19, 2009 PAXIL FREE - FINALLY!!!

08-19-2008, 11:56 PM	#4
explorer35 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Midwest Posts: 720	Re: help! From what I've read on here and what Roxy tells me, it is not uncommon. She feels it a few days after her drop and it lasts for a while. She is on a very slow taper to avoid these feelings and is also using liquid. Best of luck. __________________ Support history 1991- fell in love: 1993- married: 1993-1998- 3 kids 2002 partner started Paxil and Xanax for anxiety 2004 partner increased Paxil/drinking/other bad year/ temp seperation-decreased Paxil 2005- together-repairing: 2008- partner still on Paxil/Xanax finds great support on PP and tells me. JAN 2008- Begins taper Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful people can make a difference, in fact, it is the only thing that ever has. -Margaret Mead

08-20-2008, 08:05 AM	#5
scotslass Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 906	Re: help! Hi slinky, That happened to me too when I went down a dosage but it does get better.I felt horrible for about a week then thing started to stabilise and I slowly felt better. Just give it time. Hope you feel better soon darlin'. scotslass 14yrs 40mgs c/t summer '07 severe w/d back on 40mgs started tapering summer '08 down to 30mgs just started 27mgs

08-20-2008, 08:11 AM	#6
jenny76 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,242	Re: help! Slinky, This happened to me too, the w/d symptoms usually come in stages...it will get better. You know your body best so if you feel like this is too much of a drop, go slower or stay at a particular dose longer. This is not a race, take all the time you need. This will get better, I promise. -Jenny __________________ Started weaning Paxil in December 2006. Last dose of Paxil July 16,2007 after 12 years. Experiencing extreme withdrawals. "Be helpful. When you see a person without a smile, give him yours."

08-20-2008, 08:20 AM	#7
LarryJ Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 613	Re: help! Slinky- There is nothing that requires you to drop 10% at a time. For some (myself included) 10% at a time was simply just too much of a drop. If it were me, Id try 5% and see if things were better. Remember the often repeated words on this site......the goal is to taper off the drug as confortably as possible. If this means going slowly, so be it. __________________ Larry Started 10 mg Pexeva June 2007 Started taper - January 2008 Completed taper to 0 using LMS program - June 2008 "Thousands of candles can be lighted from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Happiness never decreases by being shared." "To face and accept one's nervous symptoms without adding second fear and to let time pass for recovery---how important this is. It works miracles if you are prepared to do just this." - Dr. Claire Weekes

08-20-2008, 09:22 AM	#8
slinky Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	Re: help! thank you all so much for all your answers; it's just so frustrating! and I feel like I'm addicted to this stuff and dependent on it, it sux but i am going to take the advice of going slower on the taper because i can't handle the withdrawal symptoms even for like a few days, i just feel too spacey and strange, so i basically just went back up to 20mg and am going to stay at that for a few days then restart the taper slower. that spreadsheet is awesome btw, thanx to whoever put that up

08-20-2008, 09:30 AM	#9
slinky Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	Re: help! oh i have another question; anyone know where to get a really accurate syringe cz i don't think the one i was using was cutting it; the pharmacist gave me some syringe but it's only whole numbers and i'm going to need one that has the halfway mark so I can taper more slowly now thanx everyone again

08-20-2008, 09:49 AM	#10
LCrawford67 Moderator "Everybody poops" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 26,491	Re: help! Each tiny line is .1 milliliters. The longer line is 1 milliliter. All syringes (that I've ever seen) only have whole numbers. If you're not sure how to measure, be sure to go to the pharmacist and ask. __________________ aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, "thank you," that would suffice. ~Meister Eckhart Thanksgiving, man. Not a good day to be my pants. ~Kevin James

08-20-2008, 10:41 AM	#11
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,588	Re: help! Slinky, get a standard syringe(no needle required), not the oral ones that they usually hand out. On this size syringe the little lines are .2ml. As you need more specific and tinier gradiations, a smaller syringe will work better...say a 3ml total volume syringe. __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

08-20-2008, 10:43 AM	#12
Fleet86 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,713	Re: help! As Laurie says, if you are in any doubt get the Pharacist to show you exactly how to measure the liquid. It does take a bit of getting used to but in the end it's so much easier and accurate than chipping the tablets. Oh and do be sure and shake the bottle really, really well before you measure your dose. N

08-20-2008, 11:29 AM	#13
carolyn Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,103	Re: help! slinky -- I had the same thing when I tried to taper my first time. This time I went to 6% tapers and the w/d symptoms are much reduced (no nausea or dizziness at all). Like everyone has said, sometimes 10% is just too much. hug __________________ 10mg: 5/02 - 8/07 for panic disorder 20mg: 8/07 - 8/08 CBT: 8/07 - 2/08. Recommended! 1 unsuccessful taper in 7/08; went back to 20mg 2008: 8/2: 18.75mg 8/24: 17.25mg 9/28: 16.10mg 10/19: 15mg 11/9: 13.75mg 11/30: 12.5mg 12/21: 11.25mg 2009: 1/11: 10.6mg 2/1: 10mg 2/22: 9.4mg 3/6: 9.2mg (liquid) 3/29: 8.4mg 4/19: 7.6mg 5/10: 6.8mg 5/31: 6.2mg 6/21: 5.6mg 7/12: 5.1mg 8/2: 4.8mg 8/23: 4.4mg 9/13: 4mg 10/4: 3.7mg 10/25: 3.4mg 11/15: 3.1mg

08-20-2008, 02:06 PM	#14
Katesmom Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 13,706	Re: help! Another bit of advice--shake that bottle VERY well! Otherwise, the dosage will be inconsistent. And, as someone else mentioned, you may have withdrawal symptoms for just a few days before you stablize. Don't panic because you feel something. Definitely taper by smaller amounts, but don't expect yourself to be symptom-free. After your first couple of tapers, you should know what to expect and be able to time your withdrawal issues to hit hardest on the days that you can be at home. __________________ Katesmom aka Kim started Paxil Oct. 2003 for PIH Paxil free since 19 Jul 2005 ". . .the cruelest lies are often told without a word. . .the kindest truths are often spoken, never heard." -- Ben Folds

08-20-2008, 05:24 PM	#15
slinky Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 10	Re: help! wow thank you all so much again; i don't know what i'd do without this board. i'm def going to get that syringe; the other thing i was wondering is can i cut my 20mg tabs in half so that's 10mg then take the remainder (9mg) =4.5ml of liquid so at least i know i'm getting a solid 10mg , just cz i worry about mixing the liquid and not getting an accurate dose. thank you everyone!

08-20-2008, 06:03 PM	#17
roxygirl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,114	Re: help! Hey Slinky! I think Liquid is the way to go, for me at least. I was chipping pills for awhile, but was never sure it was consistant. Follow the advice given, shake that bottle like mad! I didnt do that very well for about 2 days, and paid the price (terrible anxiety and diarreah). I started tapering with liquid at 25 mg, and realized I can NOT go any faster than .5-1mg at a time, which is just fine. I have learned the pattern of w/d within my body now, and know what to expect, and for how long. (for now!) DOnt be scared of your feelings, follow your body and brain. Good luck! __________________ 2002 started Paxil 20mg. 2004 approx 37.5 mg. Paxil 2008 25mg. Paxil 2/1/08 began 12ml (24mg) liquid 2/27/08 11.5ml (23mg) liquid 3/27/08 11 ml (22mg) liquid 4/20/08 10.5 ml (21mg) liquid 5/20/08 10ml (20mg)liquid 7/08 9.40ml liquid (approx 19.4mg) 8/08 9 ml liquid (18mg) 9/20/08 8.5 ml liquid (17 mg) 11/3/08 8 ml liquid (16mg) 12/08 7.5 ml. liquid (15 mg) 6/09 6ml liqiud (12 mg) .125 mg. xanax (1/4 of a .5)

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