24-7 Sleep

[elixirmonkii]

Anyone else have a period where they could sleep all day? I sleep like 10-11 hours easily and force myself up, where I am sure I could stay in bed for another couple hours. It has been this way for a few weeks. The bad side is that I don't have the motivation to do much of anything that I used to. I used to have awesome ideas and be the one to get stuff going. Now, I am doing good just to go through my routine of eating, brushing teeth, and some computer stuff. I know I am not better yet because I still have the anxiety sickness also. I guess I should be glad I can sleep though, at least I have 10 hours of peace that helps the time go by quicker. It is sad, though that I am worried about passing time, when we should be savoring every moment, but then again, we wouldn't want to savor these times, would we? I am hoping that my motivation and energy will come back with a vengeance, and that I will be so busy with planning activities and doing things, that I won't have time to think about all the negative thoughts that seem to permeate lately. What do you think?

[LCrawford67]

What you're experiencing is very common after taking metabolic enhancing products and probably the bigger problem than the two days of Prozac and Ativan.

You've altered your thyroid function and your adrenal function and this takes time to recover from. That's not to say you didn't have any kind of reaction to the Prozac or Ativan, but these types supplements are far from harmless and can and have done a lot of damage to people.

The MRH is no doubt what caused your stomach/chest pain and your anxiety. I use to take them years ago and developed a heart murmur and if I didn't eat, they caused great stomach pains.

The lethargy and sleepiness are also indicative of thyroid/adrenal issues as is depression and anxiety. Again, you've taking something that messes with your nuerological function and thyroid/adrenal glands. This is the far bigger issue.

[LCrawford67]

According to supplements.com, here are some of the features of MRH and would absolutely explain why you're feeling so poorly now.

Increase Epinephrine by 207%!
Activates in 3.1 Seconds!

Puts you in a heightened neurological state for hyper-intensity and focus while keeping you locked on getting BEYOND SHREDDED!'

One serving of this product contains as much caffeine as 4 cups of coffee. Discontinue use and immediately inform a medical doctor if you experience chest pain, dizziness, headache, irregular heartbeat, nausea, or other comparable symptoms.

[scotty]

Are you still taking Prozac? Looking at the timeline the supplement you were taking appears to be the start up of all the problems, which after looking at the ingredients is some NASTY stuff.

[iwowi]

Dear Elixirmonkii,
I do not know anything about MRH but it looks like you are experiencing some reaction after this diet pill. Are you still taking it? What about Prozac and Ativan? Are you still taking them? Sorry but I have problems understanding your signature.

I hope you feel better soon.

[iwowi]

I just read your other thread. You used Ativan for about a week and Prozac for 2 days. You definitely experienced some adverse reaction to Prozac.

Are you still taking MRH? How long did you take it?

[LCrawford67]

Originally Posted by iwowi

You definitely experienced some adverse reaction to Prozac.

That's not necessarily true, espeically when you look at the ingredients in the MRH, what it does, its side effects and the time line.

Again, the start of the problem was with taking this product. You simply cannot blame two doses of Prozac and a few Ativan as being the main cause, when another product, designed to effect thyroid, adrenals, and neurological function is at the start of the problem.

The danger we run in to is thinking just because a product has "all natural" or "herbal" properties it's harmless and thus, the only danger lies in the pharmaceutical product. That just couldn't be farther from the truth and has to be taken into account.

[iwowi]

Originally Posted by LCrawford67

That's not necessarily true, espeically when you look at the ingredients in the MRH, what it does, its side effects and the time line.

Again, the start of the problem was with taking this product. You simply cannot blame two doses of Prozac and a few Ativan as being the main cause, when another product, designed to effect thyroid, adrenals, and neurological function is at the start of the problem.

The danger we run in to is thinking just because a product has "all natural" or "herbal" properties it's harmless and thus, the only danger lies in the pharmaceutical product. That just couldn't be farther from the truth and has to be taken into account.

I am not as educated in the matter as you are Laurie so I have to take your word for it. Thank you for the clarification. I had impression of Prozac’s wrong doing after reading the signature but your explanation makes perfect sense. I would not want to give anybody wrong information.

[LCrawford67]

Originally Posted by iwowi

I am not as educated in the matter as you are Laurie so I have to take your word for it. Thank you for the clarification. I had impression of Prozac’s wrong doing after reading the signature but your explanation makes perfect sense. I would not want to give anybody wrong information.

LOL!!! I'm not eductated, but I do know a little something about how metabolic enhancers work and the damage they can do.

Again, Prozac and Ativan could very well have played a part, but I don't believe they're the root cause, or the things that have done the most harm, in this case.

[elixirmonkii]

Well, according to what I can tell, the MRH triggered some effects which were minor muscle twitches, and stomach related stuff. I only took these once in the full dose and a fractional amount one other day about a week later. Once I realized that they were so powerful, I discontinued and the effects seemed to subside. However, whenever I would drink alcohol I would have some type of panic attack which resembled a rushing sensation up my spine, and a feeling of imminent death or loss of reality/consciousness. I still enjoyed all of the things I used to enjoy, and had a great sense of humor and creativity. I only noticed the alcohol thing after the fact, since I have come to do alot reflective thinking. So, some time had went by between the MRH and the first trip to the hospital, and during that time I was a happy person, only being affected by the alcohol and caffeine which jarred my already overstimulated nervous system. But then the really tricky part is that after visiting the hospital and receiving the Ativan for the anxiety/chest tightness, I went back home and the next day went kayaking, encountering a near-death experience and also some poison oak. So, my already taxed system was doused with traumatic stress and immune system by the poison oak. After the kayaking, I had a half of a beer and no one had told me that since I had the Ativan the night before, that the alcohol affected the same type receptors, or had the same depressant activities. It was after this drink that I had my first depressed state of mind. This is when we went to the doctor to see what was going on, but as you can tell, so much had happened in a short period of time that it was hard to pinpoint any one thing. I think my nervous system was simply taxed from everything. However, it was not until the Prozac was prescribed that things went to extreme mode. I will say that I now know more about myself than any doctor seems to, and I will be very cautious about using doctors in the future, mostly in regards to drugs and treatment. It was not helpful tossing more drugs into the mix, especially since a smart doctor would have realized that it was the benzo/alcohol combination which was taken the night before that was likely causing my depressive symptoms. It is possible that I could have recovered at this point by simply discontinuing the benzos, alcohol and caffeine. Instead, we tossed some prozac in the mix for some really long lasting emotional flatness and loss of libido. I am very glad to have found this site, which made the first 2 months alot easier when I had severe agitation, and hopefully anything else my ailing system decides to do in the future.

[iwowi]

Dear Elixir…., you really suffered a lot in such a short period of time. It looks like your central nervous system became very sensitive after MRH. Prozac, Ativan, and alcohol probably played some additional role in the whole mix up. The only thing for you to do is to stay clean from any drugs and stimulants. You need time to heal.

Your doctor's approach of medicating adverse reaction of one drug with another drug is so common. I was put on Lipitor, Lorazepam and Depakote due to Paxil caused effects. As you did, I also lost my faith in doctors. They seem not to know much about mind altering drugs. They are very quick though to write you a prescription for any pill that probably you do not even need to be on.

I hope that soon you will start to experience some relief from the depression, anxiety and other symptoms. Hang in there. You will get better with time.

[iwowi]

Originally Posted by LCrawford67

LOL!!! I'm not educated.....

Sure you are Laurie. All moderators are. Experience is as valid source of education as books are and you dealt with many, many cases on this forum. So far you have proven to know more about antidepressants than any doctor I had "pleasure" to deal with.

Without all the great people who supervise this forum many of us would be truly lost and scared. Thank you so much for being there for us.

[been there done that]

Originally Posted by LCrawford67

According to supplements.com, here are some of the features of MRH and would absolutely explain why you're feeling so poorly now.

Increase Epinephrine by 207%!
Activates in 3.1 Seconds!

Puts you in a heightened neurological state for hyper-intensity and focus while keeping you locked on getting BEYOND SHREDDED!'

One serving of this product contains as much caffeine as 4 cups of coffee. Discontinue use and immediately inform a medical doctor if you experience chest pain, dizziness, headache, irregular heartbeat, nausea, or other comparable symptoms.

What do you think would be the effect of taking ephedrin with ads? I took it for sinus problems during pooped out.

[been there done that]

Originally Posted by elixirmonkii

Anyone else have a period where they could sleep all day? I sleep like 10-11 hours easily and force myself up, where I am sure I could stay in bed for another couple hours. It has been this way for a few weeks. The bad side is that I don't have the motivation to do much of anything that I used to. I used to have awesome ideas and be the one to get stuff going. Now, I am doing good just to go through my routine of eating, brushing teeth, and some computer stuff. I know I am not better yet because I still have the anxiety sickness also. I guess I should be glad I can sleep though, at least I have 10 hours of peace that helps the time go by quicker. It is sad, though that I am worried about passing time, when we should be savoring every moment, but then again, we wouldn't want to savor these times, would we? I am hoping that my motivation and energy will come back with a vengeance, and that I will be so busy with planning activities and doing things, that I won't have time to think about all the negative thoughts that seem to permeate lately. What do you think?

I have read about other people having an extreme reaction to prozac after taking very little of it. I do not recall if it was on this site or not. I have saved an computer full of information from various sites when I come up to it again I will pm you.
The absolute fatigue is something I have experienced it is a break in a way like you say who would want to be awake when there is such negativity in your heart and head...
I am not sure if this is right or not but I have found a liquid vit b to help with the lack of energy issues. I stated out taking too much which made me very agitated and had to back off. I restarted at one sixth of the dose and worked my way up to half the rdd. It is just an idea I don't really recommend anything as we are all so different... for me fish oil is ok and the vit b I cannot tolerate magnesium at all.
It is all very individual so start at a very low dose if you decide to try anything.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by been there done that

What do you think would be the effect of taking ephedrin with ads? I took it for sinus problems during pooped out.

Ephedra stimulates adrenalin.....BIG TIME!

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/news/2004/NEW01050.html

[been there done that]

I think effexor had pooped out and my sinuses were a real pain. I used it to help clear my nose lord only knows what it did to my adrenals. The fda warning was old and out way before I bought the drug. I think I still have some to tell the truth but it is likely in my storage with all my other stuff.

[LCrawford67]

The amount of ephedrine in a Sudafed, is a heck of a lot less than what's in these metabolic enhancers. Plus, there are a lot of other unknown herbs in these types of supplements.

I wouldn't be overly concerned with taking sinus pills versus taking products, like this.

[elixirmonkii]

I dont think the MRH has any ephedra in it, at least I could not find it on the labeled ingredients. Besides, I thought ephedra was mostly outlawed. There are alot of other herbs in it though like Theanine and Rhodiola. It's funny that these are in here too because they are the ones one would use to help low serotonin, dopamine, and modulate the HPA axis.

Anyways, what's the next stage after excessive sleep?

[been there done that]

Originally Posted by LCrawford67

The amount of ephedrine in a Sudafed, is a heck of a lot less than what's in these metabolic enhancers. Plus, there are a lot of other unknown herbs in these types of supplements.

I wouldn't be overly concerned with taking sinus pills versus taking products, like this.

It said it was ephedrine and that was all that was in it. Produced by a local factory in Pickering ont. the drugist recommended it. Not sudafed.