Who is Charles Groenendijk?

[been there done that]

Does anybody know who Charles Groenendijk is? I have become quite interested in this man. He seems to have a ton of information that he gleened where? If he can get it why can't and don't our doctors? I have to admit his information seems valid and makes complete sense to my untrained eye but I also thought taking an antidepressant was a good idea so I do not trust anything at face value anymore. I am not an expert on any of these issue and apparently now days we have to be if we want to survive. I have seen references to him calling him a doctor is that true. Does anybody know for sure who he is where he came from where he went? I have tried to reach him and so far no luck.

[elixirmonkii]

His e-mail was listed at usa.net. I used to have a netaddress e-mail, which is what this is. They went out of business, so he obviously has a new e-mail address. Perhaps, 7 years later he was able to recover fully, and move on with his life, since he has not posted any new information. Some people try to forget it. This is what I would like to believe anyways. If you type his name as "Charly Groenendijk" on a search engine, you get a bunch of ad sites for xanax and other pharmaceuticals, which means he has been "pulled" as it were, and let's just hope he is still alive, because for some reason they do not want his information made available to people. In my opinions pharmaceutical companies are tied to very powerful men who control the release of information as they see fit.

[been there done that]

charlesgroenendijk@hotmail.com was the last email address I could find for him and it came up empty too. Does anyone know if he was a doctor?

[Paxilalmostkilledme]

he wrote that great essay on getting past the 3-18 months of withdrawal - what a lifesaver!

[elisa]

Below is a link to some of Charly Groenendijk's archives of the expired antidepressantsfacts/com. Just scroll down until you see it. http://www.network54.com/Forum/28184...aring%27+sites.

[Samalabear]

Originally Posted by Paxilalmostkilledme

he wrote that great essay on getting past the 3-18 months of withdrawal - what a lifesaver!

I must have printed out three or four copies to have wherever I was -- plus I was always losing track of everything. At the time I could not imagine 18 months. Here I am so long after Paxil and well ... now, I understand. The first 3 to 18 months are the worst, to be sure.

[TryingtoGetWell]

Charly is NOT a medical doctor, although some members of this group have referred to him as a doctor. He is a prozac survivor who had a very bad experience on prozac and a very difficult w/d.

He has not been a moderator of ProzacAwareness group in a long time, but did post there (only occasionally) as recently as last year, I believe. (I chose not to receive their emails quite a while ago so have no idea if he has posted since then. I couldn't find even the older ones in their archive.) His hotmail address was still good as of June 2007 but I haven't used it since then. He had stopped updating his antidepressants.com website well before that but did keep the website up for some time, though some information was dated.

If you haven't seen the thread in which I posted links from his archived website, the link is http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...rly#post531758

The third (think it was third) link takes you directly to the account of his prozac experience that appeared on the website.

There are people on this group who would probably have more information on Charly and hopefully more current information on how he's doing, but I think it would be best to wait just a little while to contact them about it.

[been there done that]

thanks to all who have responded I have followed the links you provided. I found an old link that says a lot of his information came from Fank van Meerendonk I did a search and this is his site.

Prozac Complaints

Warning: This wonder drug could seriously damage your health
Woke up this morning feelin' so blue. Took an antidepressant. But what'll it do?

Thousands of people are being prescribed Prozac and other so-called wonder drugs to stop them feeling depressed. Do they risk doing themselves more harm than good?


http://www.neurosoup.com/prozaccomplaints.htm

a sample here on how it starts.

During clinical studies, 15% of the users of prozac stops it because of the side-effects, says Fank van Meerendonk from the Prozac Survivors Support Group. The American Food and Drug Administration had registered 40.000 side-effect records in 1997, from which 10.000 are very severe. "That is very disturbing, because the FDA has only access to 1 - 10% of the side effects of medicine ever reported. Most ssri-swallowers suffer from a psychosis, for example a manic episode. A recent study at Yale University shows that 8% of all psychiatric patients were in hospital because of a psychosis as a result of ssri's. People with such a manic episode feel great, but give away all their money, or are disputing with everybody. And then, there are prozac-poopouts, with who the substance is effective at first. But after a while it doesn't work anymore. Then the dosis prescribed are growing higher. That happens until nothing is working anymore. Scientists believe the amount of serotoninereceptors in the brains has dropped permanently, resulting in the patient to be chronical depressed....

Other side effects are sexual problems and stomach complaints. A Canadian research among 317.842 older people followed between 1992 and 1998, there was shown a coincidence between ssri's and the chance of stomach-bleedings. How older the user, how bigger the chance. Doctors keep prescribing ssri's. In year 2000, 800.000 people in the Netherlands used this antidepressiva, two times more women than men. In 1994 it was half that much.
this is all I have read so far but assure you I will be reading a lot more on this site.
FYI
peace Sandy

I am searching for his references/sources for pineal story I want to confirm this information is legit.

[CharlyGroenendijk]

Hi everyone,

I would like to inform you that my website "AntidepressantsFacts" is entirely online again at this URL: www.factsantidepressants.com

Greetings and Love,

Charles (Charly) Groenendijk

[pax80]

ok. thank you. could you tell us more about you and your experience?

[CharlyGroenendijk]

Originally Posted by pax80

ok. thank you. could you tell us more about you and your experience?

It's all here:

http://www.factsantidepressants.com/...rly-Prozac.htm

You can also access my experience at this URL by simply clicking my recent picture:

http://www.factsantidepressants.com/introduction.htm

At this moment I am working in the financial sector and am a songwriter/singer of Dutch songs.
You might want to listen to them:

http://charles-g.hyves.nl
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LaisjaHein (Laisja is my younger sister)

[efexorsam]

Thanks Charles. The information you put up has been invaluable to me over the last few years. Unfortunately, I am still suffering, but I do have hope that it will get better eventually.

[CharlyGroenendijk]

Originally Posted by efexorsam

Thanks Charles. The information you put up has been invaluable to me over the last few years. Unfortunately, I am still suffering, but I do have hope that it will get better eventually.

Never give up hope!

There's recovery even after many years.

Hug!

[Healing]

Charly --

You have a beautiful voice! Very passionate song! I wish I spoke an ounce of Dutch. Your English is superb.

Thank you for your excellent website. When I first realized I was dealing with SSRI withdrawal in 2005, it was a life-saver.

Can you tell us more about what your recovery was like from 2000 on?

[elisa]

Charly, so good to see your website back!! THANK YOU!! Actually someone gave me your website link in a forum years ago. I was utterly shocked at that time to read it all as it was the first time that I read about the negative effects of antidepressants.

A while after I landed on this forum and started to post mainly news about antidepressants and of course linked your website in many posts/replies here.

I believe you were on Annie Armen live at some time or another but can't find you there this time around? http://anniearmenlive.org/psychiatric_drugs.htm

EDIT: just found you here: http://anniearmenlive.org/psychiatri...s.htm#Part%205

I also believe that you know Dr Ann Tracy isn't it?

Just know that I was born and raised in Holland and left for Canada in my twenties.

Great to meet you at last, it's an honor to see you here!!

BTW: I listened quite a while back to one of your songs on youtube while I was searching for you on the internet, but wasn't sure that it was you!! Great voice!

[Johnnny off Paxil]

Charley,
De wereld is zo klein
Wat ik zeggen kan, is het een eer om u hier te hebben, hebt U geen idee hoe veel uw woorden ons alle hier hebben geholpen.



Regards, Johnny

[been there done that]

Glad to see you are doing well when I made this post I didn't really think you may show up but now that you have thanks for responding. I have printed your pineal story and taken it to my pdoc for his education as I told him it made the most sense to me of everything I had read in my search for truth and understanding. Thank you charley for putting the information out there for some of us here it was the life line. To know you are doing well is such an inspiration. I can tell by the posts on here it has been a boost to many just to have you drop by. I expect the response will continue to grow as many here look up to you and respect your courage to speak out and you journey. Thank you. Sandy

[elixirmonkii]

Yes, please tell us from 2000 onward, things have gotten better? Completely recovered? Any secrets you have learned to recovery?

[TryingtoGetWell]

So glad your wonderful site is up again. It was the first one I found in horrible w/d that clued me in to what was going on with me (long before I found paxilprogress). I am so grateful for it.

And so glad you've joined us here. I too look forward to hearing more about how you're doing now. I'm having an unusually long and severe w/d. I hope your condition has continued to improve!

[alivehope]

Hey Charles

Your story is so inspiring and spirit-lifting, I am wondering when Anhedonia started to go away and did it fully subside?

[eileen]

Thank you Charly, for the information. You have a fantastic voice.
Eileen

[CharlyGroenendijk]

To Healing, elisa, Johnnny off Paxil, been there done that, elixirmonkii, TryingtoGetWell and alivehope:

Thank You All!!

I consider myself to have been recovered after 6 to 7 years. However, the emotional recovery takes almost twice as long. It's only now that I feel I am becoming whole again and that's more than I could ever asked for.

From my experience in 1996 on, the ONLY driving force (and challenge) behind my healing was gratitude, gratefulness, or learning to become grateful again. Grateful with what you (still) have and can have in the future. It gives a different sense of purpose in life.

Because when you can be in a grateful state of mind and being, you'll learn to discover your other inner abilities, of which you thought you never had them and you'll learn to use them for the benefit of your healing process and to remain a nice person to others as well.

If you can be grateful in the situation you are in and fully accept that situation (which is a true challenge, I know!), you will start to learn to relax again, to release tension and let go of stress. You will start to see (unusual) new solutions and possibilities. This is so important and especially if you experience a state of drug-induced tension, confusion and hypersensitivity of your nervous system.

You need to find a new beacon of safety in you. Something you can hold on to. And simply being grateful every day, eventually did the trick for me. And ofcourse there was trauma, anger, fear, anxiety, pain, insecurity, loneliness, sense of isolation, etc., but I have learned to use all of these energies, these emotional forces, to serve me again, to understand them and to embrace them. And to let them go as well if they are not serving me or my surroundings.

I could have never build my website without them. Without them I would not delve so deep into research.

Gratefulness saves you from becoming apathic or bitter as well and it helps you to be able to move on and to keep growing in your life and to enjoy (little) moments despite the difficulties you face at this moment.

Yes, I know Dr Ann Tracy very well and visited her in 2004 and she is one of the kindest, warmest, bravest and most wonderful and intelligent
human beings I have ever met, along with Cynthia Garcia, Cassandra Casey (formerly Dawn Rider) and Frank van Meerendonk.

[CharlyGroenendijk]

Thank You Eileen!

Originally Posted by eileen

Thank you Charly, for the information. You have a fantastic voice.
Eileen

[eileen]

Thank You Charly, your last post is very inspirational. I'm still in the midst of Paxil WD with more to come. I've never heard the head pain discribed as well as you have written on your site. Happy St Patrick's Day to you.
Eileen

[CharlyGroenendijk]

FYI: AntidepressantsFacts is now also back online at its original domain!
www.antidepressantsfacts.com