Mixters Effexor HELL taper thread

[Mixter]

Thanks. I am so grateful. I am not suffering alot anymore. Yes it still timeouts after 15 min. Admin should need to make a logged in forever checkbox? I hope you are feeling functional Healing. And I think maybe I am gods intention to be here for you all. And what happened to me. The good side will win, and the bad side will be sent to hell. All those who pushed for Effexor for profit. Hope you have received good enough tech answers in your thread. I maybe think.. Hope not they get stuck about compounding. I will then do maybe code a GPU sphere counting app using a webcam pointed at a black table with pellets inside blue box lines? Would be nice idea! Or a good but expensive but valued for money scale? My counting strategy I posted in your thread is the best I could come up with. Take care, thank you.

[Junior]

I would say that the biggest problem is that people are sometimes cut off from their higher self.



I've heard that and believe it to be true. Before Aropax (Paxil) I had several spiritual experiences and a sense that I was walking with a higher power. In the time I've been on medication I haven't experienced that at all. The medication has very much relieved my GAD and taken away my fear of suffering depression but I'm slowly coming to the realisation that it has also taken away my ability to feel close to God. And I miss that.

[leo79]

nice one Mix - you are rocking now, could probably CT from the stuff lol

[Healing]

Mix --

I definitely think you are an instrument of the gods in creating this cafe table for the K-Team. We're very happy here -- nice trees overhead, view of the piazza. Yes, the good side will win. As Leo has said, good is coming out of this ordeal. We are all being transformed into wiser, saner, happier people.

I'm doing better, thank you. I think the high dose of fish oil (4000 mg EPA/DHA combined) is slowly doing something for me.

When I'm composing a long post that takes time to think out, I do it in my email program, and then log on to pp, and just cut and paste. Of course, you could use your wordprocessing program, too.

Yes, you were super-helpful on my thread. I will study what you wrote there, as well as the more technical posts I copied from this thread, too. I may come back to you with more questions. Thank you!

Actually, a sphere counting app for a smart phone is a freaking brilliant idea! People could use their phone to count their Effexor pellets.

[Healing]

Junior -- Yes, indeed, these drugs seem to squash anything related to vitality -- inspiration, sexuality, ambition. That's very cool that you had several spiritual experiences pre-Aropax. I truly believe you will be able to feel close to God again as you recover from the med -- especially if you make a conscious effort to do so. I also believe you can find a way to deal with your GAD while maintaining your access to your higher power. In fact, these two issues might be linked in some way.

[Mixter]

Thanks everyone. I might not do well after CT. Soon is 3rd week, and I have had headaches, that Tylenol did not help so much at but Ibupropen 200mg did. Also feeling strange popping sensation in my forehead. I think it is different phases I go through, but seems similiar to before yet different. I had red spots that disappeared fast, on the spots that itched before. I try to push through the days, today was the first day I had some anxiety again. Still crawling around nose area and pressure in the same area between eyebrows and nose. But motivation seems so-so. Maybe try to hold more days to see if the headaches go away at last. I hope so. Seems my eyes is a bit better I think, less pressure compared to before. I am home again, came home after a long bus ride yesterday. And now I am very tired after dinner, feeling like to sleep.

[WhatIsNormal]

Originally Posted by Junior

I would say that the biggest problem is that people are sometimes cut off from their higher self.



I've heard that and believe it to be true. Before Aropax (Paxil) I had several spiritual experiences and a sense that I was walking with a higher power. In the time I've been on medication I haven't experienced that at all. The medication has very much relieved my GAD and taken away my fear of suffering depression but I'm slowly coming to the realisation that it has also taken away my ability to feel close to God. And I miss that.

It is so strange to hear somebody else say that!!! I went thru phases on my highest dose of Paxil where I seriously considered atheism b/c every spiritual aspect of my life had been lost. So so strange.

Okay hijack over.

Hang in there Mix!

[Songbird]

Glad to hear of your peak experience, Leo! Strangely, I had a peak experience not long after I first started taking Paxil!

Originally Posted by Healing

I also believe you can find a way to deal with your GAD while maintaining your access to your higher power. In fact, these two issues might be linked in some way.

Interestingly, the part of the brain that is supposed to be involved in feeling fear - the amygdala - is also sometimes called the 'God module'.

[Mixter]

I also think I have had a special moment after I was stabilized on Citalopram, and then 3 months after I got manic, yes. It faded into greyness. Smoked alot pot helped to level out emotions after. I think I became grey thereafter. Anyways, 21 days and I am trying to hold dose. I think I have a strategy, try to train adapt my body to the higher serotonin can make the receptors less sensitive, but it will take time. (when I am holding the dose) my goal is 1 weeks more, or more.

[Healing]

So sorry to hear about the headaches, Mixter. They're such a big part of this demmed process. Once again, you're doing a great job of carefully thinking out the problem, and trying an experiment to give yourself the most help possible as you go through the taper. Note, it's your sixth chakra....

[scotslass]

Originally Posted by Mixter

Thanks everyone. I might not do well after CT. Soon is 3rd week, and I have had headaches, that Tylenol did not help so much at but Ibupropen 200mg did. Also feeling strange popping sensation in my forehead. I think it is different phases I go through, but seems similiar to before yet different. I had red spots that disappeared fast, on the spots that itched before. I try to push through the days, today was the first day I had some anxiety again. Still crawling around nose area and pressure in the same area between eyebrows and nose. But motivation seems so-so. Maybe try to hold more days to see if the headaches go away at last. I hope so. Seems my eyes is a bit better I think, less pressure compared to before. I am home again, came home after a long bus ride yesterday. And now I am very tired after dinner, feeling like to sleep.

Sorry the headaches are so miserable Mixter,I also find that ibuprofen works better than tylenlol.How about I make you a nice hot cup of tea and maybe a warm scone with lots of raspberry jam,that will cheer you up.

love and hugs to you darlin'
fiona

[leo79]

Hey Mix, I have a lot of these filthy headaches now too, most days infact. I can take it though. I think your third eye ( anja chakra ) is becoming active and so you will notice head pressure / tension there - that's what this it ( I read your other thread ). Maybe get some paranormal abilities from all this. I want to be better than before, I don't want to just go back to normal - I want like before + new abilities after all this.

[Mixter]

Good morning, K-team!

Fiona, sweetie! Thank you. I slept well and good, now I have maybe some hours in morning I am free of my headaches until they appear. Maybe the mitochondrites are overworking or starving. I dont know. I think it is the third eye trying to healing, because of the light there when I CT'd. Also "exploded" the sinuses in the later stages, my whole body jolted when I laid down. All sensitivity to stimuli reset to nil and I was nothing more than a zombie thereafter. I think we will become alot better after we have recovered. In a way or another. I think, the third eye adapts to the new surroundings? Not as in birth? What can it mean? What do you think Leo. The third eye is definitely damaged, seems like blood/waste/mitochondrites and more is not transporting things, and signals etc. Accountable for pain, and damage.

Comments on this, Healing?

[Healing]

'Morning, Mix!

Heh. Let me preface this by saying that I've had to take a lot of OTC meds just like almost everyone else here -- as low dose as possible, cutting pills. Ibuprofen doesn't work on my head, so it's been aspirin, benadryl, and, when it's really bad, naproxyn.

Now, I think probably the energy is not flowing freely in and out of your sixth chakra (third eye), and, ideally, if one were to focus intention on smoothing out that energy, it should help the pain. Visualization, meditation, acupressure. If you have the patience, it might be worth seeing if you can find what works for you.

Also, try to notice what's going on just before the headache starts, and think about that. If you can do your energy practice at the prodrome for the headache, you'll probably get more results.

I agree with both of you, Mix and Leo, this is probably some sort of change or readjustment or healing to a new level of development. OK, that gives me another idea -- you might spend some time thinking about how you feel about that -- the hopes and the fears related to the idea of your third eye developing. We all have some resistance, even if we also love the idea. So, if you try to make that conflict more conscious, it might help. Lastly, maybe read a bit about the sixth chakra. See what jumps out at you.

[leo79]

Yes it's very interesting. The body is trying to evolve.
I know that when I took prozac after Celexa reaction it did some really nasty things in this area... it was like this feeling of absolute wretchedness and detachment... not this detached love, but like this detached evil emanating from the 3rd eye chakra... I mean this was some real diabolical horror beyond the norm... also during this time I would be in REM state while awake like there was some movie going on always and a feeling of doom... it's all down to these toxins... nothing like this would happen as a result of "psychological problems". Infact it makes me sick to the core thinking about this... I'd forgotton about it.
Regarding the 3rd eye developing though... it's natural I think that this happens to some people, the body has it's own intelligence with regard to this... the pressure/pain there is part of the energy loosening that area up... they are called grathi knots in the east these areas.
My neighbour sees the blue pearl a lot when he shuts his eyes... this is a very good sign.... he hasn't had many problems in his life... if you see the blue pearl you are blessed. Infact it's possible to be given initiation by the blue pearl but let's not get into this lol as we have enough to be getting on with now...

[leo79]

also about these headaches... none of the pills like aspirin, ibuprofen touches these damn things for me - it's true. I don't know why... I had these headaches when I came off prozac in the past centuries ago. Drinking coffee seems to help but then it causes jittery feelings and other sicknesses but I prefer this to headache all day.

[Mixter]

I also agree, drinking coffee seems to help me. Max 1-2 cups.

Strange.

I have heard Naproxyn is stronger, maybe something for most severe ones. Next is opiates!

My headaches is dimished now, I am trying still to hold - min 4-5 weeks is my goal. I hope I can do that. I think it is possible!

Interesting you mention the blue pearl, very interesting.. I think I had it sometimes in my childhood (before it became difficult)

So in the particular area, the third eye (I think it works like feeling the existence/spirituality/connectness and more) ?

[Healing]

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who saw the Blue Pearl in childhood! Neat! Did you also have psychic / spiritual experiences in childhood?

Well, here's what jumped out at me from the first site I looked at on the sixth chakra --

"People who have an over-active sixth chakra tend to be a little spacey, unable to accept the reality of the world they live in [depersonalization?]. They may also suffer from paranoia, hallucinations, or nightmares. Ungrounded by the rest of their energy system, they do not seem to be able to shield themselves from an abundance of psychic stimuli or to respond appropriately to their highly developed intuition. They may be hypersensitive, assuming that everyone else's emotions are targeted at them, ("He's angry. I must have done something wrong," ) or reacting to situations that exist only in their imagination, ("They hated me; I knew they would, so I left early.")....

[Sounds a lot like w/d, right?]

"Imbalances in sixth chakra energy may show up physically as mental illness, poor memory, vision problems or severe headaches as a response to stress.....

"Nurturing this center allows us to integrate our intelligence with our intuition and end our fear of knowing the truth."

This jibes with what Junior and Songbird said about fear being related to spiritual connection in some inverse way, and fits with what you said, Mix. Note that the amygdala is basically right behind there....

[Songbird]

I"ve never heard of the Blue Pearl...

[leo79]

Originally Posted by Healing

I don't think I've ever heard of anyone who saw the Blue Pearl in childhood! Neat! Did you also have psychic / spiritual experiences in childhood?

No this is my neighbour... he had some experiences as a child like seeing dead relatives. He sees it most times when he shuts his eyes. I once saw a dark humanoid figure in my room as a child which terrified me.
I think you are right with the info on the sixth chakra... yes, it seems clear.

[Mixter]

Interesting, Healing. This fits with us perfectly.

Anyways, I dropped to 240mg today. Because I felt kind of worse, vibrations, uneasiness before.

I have thought of trying to hold, but I will leave that to later days. Still it is much better than before! Without severe headaches/nausea etc.

[Healing]

Mix -- How is the latest drop going?

[Mixter]

Healing, it is going ok. As usual some difficulties to sleep, but is very short lived - only some days.
Itching and face crawling is the most prominent symptoms now. Some zaps too.

Thanks for asking!

[Healing]

Mix -- I'm glad you're feeling sort of OK.

I've had itching all over from w/d. It has gotten better. I don't know for sure what causes it, but I have thought of it as possibly partly due to the liver being taxed, and partly due to neuropathy.

Earlier on, during the taper, and early post-taper, and I think maybe even before the taper, after I'd been on meds for years, I would get hives (urticaria) whenever I took a lot of Ibuprofen. (Ibuprofen never worked for my head, but it did work for my menstrual cramps.) This also made me think my liver was taxed. This no longer happens.

I would get the hives on my face and neck. Oddly enough, the spots would always occur in the exact same places even though I was taking the Ibuprofen only a couple of days in a row a month apart.

[Songbird]

I was just looking at your signature - look how far you have come!