has anyone quit at 5mgs?

Jean56 · 07-01-2009, 03:25 PM

i'm at 5 mgs and i'm thinking of quitting rather than continuing the taper. it's getting harder and harder to cut down my pills.

scotia21 · 07-01-2009, 03:52 PM

If it was me then I would NOT stop at 5 mg. You started your taper in December at 30 mg so that would mean that you went from 30 to zero in a little of six months. That is pretty fast.

My dumb ace doctor refused to prescribe me the liquid because I wouldn't follow the drug reps "tapering schedule", so I chopped pills for my entire taper. The easier way to do it is with a pill cutter and one of those handy little pill containers with the days of the month on them. I would sit at my dining room table and chop out doses. From 5 mg I went down to 3.75 - so that was a quarter of a 10 mg pill plus an eighth of a 10 mg pill. If I had tried to cut them down every morning it would have been impossible for me to keep up with.

Rachelina · 07-01-2009, 04:04 PM

Don't do it! That's what I did and it was a nightmare. I can also think of at least a few members with severe protracted withdrawal who quit at 5 mg. The last 5 mg is often the hardest, so it's worth it to taper slowly.

PatriceKM · 07-01-2009, 05:52 PM

I agree....DONT DO IT! You will regret it.

carolyn · 07-01-2009, 06:02 PM

Jean, are you unable to get liquid?

Jess_Reyna · 07-01-2009, 06:07 PM

Jean I would say definitely dont stop at 5 mg. Can you try getting liquid paxil for the rest of your taper. It will definitely make it easier with the liquid.

Songbird · 07-01-2009, 07:38 PM

I went into severe w/d going from 5mg to 4.5mg, so stopping at 5mg doesn't seem like an option for me, I'm trying a slower taper this time. Because I can't get liquid here, I'm cutting pills and using a scale to weigh the pieces.

Jean56 · 07-01-2009, 09:55 PM

it just gets harder and harder to cut the dose smaller. i'm working off a 30 mg pill. i'm just so ready to be off this stuff.

Jean56 · 07-01-2009, 10:01 PM

i would love to get liquid. but i don't have insurance and i don't know what kind of reception i would get at a walk-in clinic.

Songbird · 07-01-2009, 11:26 PM

You can't get a smaller pill? We can only get 20mg here, I can imagine 30mg pill would be that much more difficult. Some people use a nail file and file the pieces smaller instead of trying to cut them the right size. A scale helps to get the size more accurate.

Jean56 · 07-02-2009, 01:39 AM

i use a razor blade and jewelers scale. my doc won't prescribe liquid.

Songbird · 07-02-2009, 03:36 AM

Would your doc be willing to prescribe lower dose pills? I think you can get 10mg pills over there. Even 20mg pills might be easier than 30mg, although I don't know what the actual pill sizes are. Have you tried the nail file method?

Jean56 · 07-02-2009, 06:55 AM

my doctor doesn't want me off the paxil, so he's no help at all. i asked the pharmacy if they would fill my 30 mg prescription with 10 mg pills but they said no.

carolyn · 07-02-2009, 10:06 AM

Sounds like it's time for a new doctor! Yikes!

LCrawford67 · 07-02-2009, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean56

my doctor doesn't want me off the paxil, so he's no help at all. i asked the pharmacy if they would fill my 30 mg prescription with 10 mg pills but they said no.

Jean, I agree with Carolyn. I realize your financial situation, but I think it would be beneficial for you to take some time to find a new doc who will work with you.

Here's the thing I say over and over and over....Your doctor works for YOU, not the other way around. If you want liquid Paxil to taper, then you should be able to get liquid Paxil.

Forgive me, if you've answered this before, but why does your doctor want you to stay on Paxil?

pax80 · 07-02-2009, 10:33 AM

I don't know if this suits paxil, it's about water titration...

http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...d.php?p=424700

Jean56 · 07-02-2009, 01:20 PM

I've been seeing this guy for 10 years. he says I have a depressive personality and cannot function without an AD and that I should just resign myself to it. He says SSRIs "are perfectly safe and non-toxic." Whenever I have asked for liquid paxil he just says no and won't explain. It cost me about $350 for my first apptment with him, which I assume is a typical cost for a first appt and that's just way more than I can afford.

carolyn · 07-02-2009, 02:43 PM

What your doctor is telling you is horse$hit and I think you know it. For the sake of argument, so what if you do have a "depressive personality" (whatever that is)? Has he ever talked to you about therapy or non-medicinal methods of stress reduction and self-esteem?

Would you continue to hire a contractor that trashed your living room and then lied to you about who did it? If you kept winding up with root canals because your dentist wasn't finding your cavities in time, would you keep going to him?

Ditch this guy -- at least for the mental health parts of your relationship, he might be a great GP for broken bones or sniffles -- and find someone who shares your goals.

Jean56 · 07-02-2009, 03:17 PM

thanks Carolyn. I plan on ditching him just as soon as I'm off this stuff. i have an apptment the first week of august, which i've decided to keep so i can get another round of ambien. i have plenty of paxil to see me through to the end, but I've decided to give myself some time to recover before i taper off the ambien. and this guy is no GP. he's a board certified psychiatrist.

rain · 07-02-2009, 06:41 PM

I stopped Prozac at around 5mgs and I was okay. I wouldn't attempt that again tho and suggest that you don't either. You've been cutting pills for so long now... what's a few more months so that you continue to feel good.

Definitely ditch this doctor. Can't imagine why he wouldn't give you the liquid... and not even offer an explanation!

Good luck with the last 5mgs.

AussieGirl · 07-02-2009, 06:58 PM

Jean

I too am at 5mgs and like you my Doctor said I needed meds for life for my panic disorder/depression. I switched doctors and got a script for the pharmacy to make me up a special paxil liquid as it is not available in Austalia.

I would strongly recommend you do the same. I've been on meds for 21 years now but like Carolyn says thru CBT; meditation; regular exercise and the support here I am ( just like you) going to be med . free.((((HUGS))))

I intend to keep tapering 10% until zero. I have been on meds so long I want to give myself the best possible chance of full recovery.

PS My new Doctor was in the same practice and whilst not perfect he at least gives me the script for the liquid !!!!

Songbird · 07-02-2009, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean56

this guy is no GP. he's a board certified psychiatrist.

Do you have a GP who would prescribe the liquid for you?

Jean56 · 07-02-2009, 07:20 PM

no, no GP. I go to walk in clinics.

rain · 07-02-2009, 09:39 PM

Is the psychiatrist at the walk-in clinic? I doubt that or at least I've never heard of a psychiatrist at a walk-in. I'm thinking that a GP there could prescribe the liquid??

Jean56 · 07-02-2009, 10:03 PM

no the psychiatrist is at a different office. i started seeing him a decade ago when i had insurance. i could try that.

07-01-2009, 03:25 PM	#1
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	has anyone quit at 5mgs? i'm at 5 mgs and i'm thinking of quitting rather than continuing the taper. it's getting harder and harder to cut down my pills. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-01-2009, 03:52 PM	#2
scotia21 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 5,419	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? If it was me then I would NOT stop at 5 mg. You started your taper in December at 30 mg so that would mean that you went from 30 to zero in a little of six months. That is pretty fast. My dumb ace doctor refused to prescribe me the liquid because I wouldn't follow the drug reps "tapering schedule", so I chopped pills for my entire taper. The easier way to do it is with a pill cutter and one of those handy little pill containers with the days of the month on them. I would sit at my dining room table and chop out doses. From 5 mg I went down to 3.75 - so that was a quarter of a 10 mg pill plus an eighth of a 10 mg pill. If I had tried to cut them down every morning it would have been impossible for me to keep up with. __________________ 1/05/07 20mg-17.5 1/20 17.5-15 2/24 15-12.5 3/08 12.5-10 3/29 10-7.5 4/12 7.5-5 6/15 5-3.75 6/30 3.75-2.5 7/28 2.5-1.5ish 8/11 1.5-1 8/25 1- zero "Keep lighting candles, eventually nobody will be in the dark" me "Why is it so hard for everybody to believe that a pill can change brain chemistry for the better but not for the worse?" me "Time does not come in pill form" me

07-01-2009, 04:04 PM	#3
Rachelina Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 842	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? Don't do it! That's what I did and it was a nightmare. I can also think of at least a few members with severe protracted withdrawal who quit at 5 mg. The last 5 mg is often the hardest, so it's worth it to taper slowly. __________________ Paxil 2000 - 2003. Started again 3/07 Failed 3-month taper from 30 mg ended 1/1/08. Nightmare started 4 weeks later; back to 10 mg 3/5/08. Down to 9 mg Paxil 10/8/08 * 8 mg 11/5/08 * 7.2 mg 12/17/08 * 6.4 mg 1/14/09 5.7 mg 2/11/09 * 5 mg 3/11/09 * 4.5 mg 4/22/09 * 4 mg 5/13/09 CRASHED, worst ever depression. Up to 5 mg 5/31, 7.5 mg 6/7, 10 mg 6/11. Trying again! Paxil 9.5 mg 7/19/09 * 9 mg 8/23/09 * 8.5 mg 9/27/09 *** 8 mg 11/1/09

07-01-2009, 05:52 PM	#4
PatriceKM Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 339	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? I agree....DONT DO IT! You will regret it. __________________ 6 years on paxil 9/29/08- 40mg-30mg 10/19/08 20 mg 12/16/08 10mg dizzy, hot flashes 12/30/08 Back to 20mg 1/4/09 18mg 1/19/09 16mg 2/5/09 15mg 3/8/09 13mg 5/17/09 - 12mg 6/12/09 11mg 6/17/09 10mg 7/8/09 9mg 8/10/09 8mg (screwed something up) 8/31/09 6mg 10/13/09 5.4mg 11/9/09 5mg "Healing comes from the healed; not the physician." DG

07-01-2009, 06:02 PM	#5
carolyn Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,105	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? Jean, are you unable to get liquid? __________________ 10mg: 5/02 - 8/07 for panic disorder 20mg: 8/07 - 8/08 CBT: 8/07 - 2/08. Recommended! 1 unsuccessful taper in 7/08; went back to 20mg 2008: 8/2: 18.75mg 8/24: 17.25mg 9/28: 16.10mg 10/19: 15mg 11/9: 13.75mg 11/30: 12.5mg 12/21: 11.25mg 2009: 1/11: 10.6mg 2/1: 10mg 2/22: 9.4mg 3/6: 9.2mg (liquid) 3/29: 8.4mg 4/19: 7.6mg 5/10: 6.8mg 5/31: 6.2mg 6/21: 5.6mg 7/12: 5.1mg 8/2: 4.8mg 8/23: 4.4mg 9/13: 4mg 10/4: 3.7mg 10/25: 3.4mg 11/15: 3.1mg

07-01-2009, 06:07 PM	#6
Jess_Reyna Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: California Posts: 298	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? Jean I would say definitely dont stop at 5 mg. Can you try getting liquid paxil for the rest of your taper. It will definitely make it easier with the liquid. __________________ One failed attempt-Tapered way to fast Found Paxil Progress December 19, 2008 Back on 20 mg tablets February 5, 2009 18 mg-Switched to liquid-Here we go! February 26, 2009 16.2 mg March 19, 2009 14.6 mg April 9, 2009 13.2 mg May 7, 2009 12 mg May 28, 2009 11 mg June 18, 2009 10 mg July 14, 2009 9 mg August 4, 2009 8.1 mg August 26, 2009 7.6 mg September 16, 2009 7 mg October 7, 2009 6.4 mg October 28, 2009 6 mg November 18, 2009 5.6 mg

07-01-2009, 07:38 PM	#7
Songbird Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 7,046	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? I went into severe w/d going from 5mg to 4.5mg, so stopping at 5mg doesn't seem like an option for me, I'm trying a slower taper this time. Because I can't get liquid here, I'm cutting pills and using a scale to weigh the pieces. __________________ Jul 01-Feb 02 Aropax Feb - Dec 03 Citalopram Jul 04 Aropax Jan 07 - Feb 08 20mg - 5mg Apr 4.5mg 5mg Jun 10mg zopiclone > seroquel Jul 20mg Aug + methionine Oct aropax > loxamine Dec off seroquel 7 Dec 17.5mg 30 Dec 15mg 24 Jan 12.5mg 16 Feb 10mg 10 May 9mg 30 May 8mg 5 July 7.5mg 2 Aug 7.25mg 1 Sep 7mg 9 Oct 6.75mg 8 Nov 6.5mg Appreciation is the antidote to stress - Trust is the antidote to fear

07-01-2009, 09:55 PM	#8
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? it just gets harder and harder to cut the dose smaller. i'm working off a 30 mg pill. i'm just so ready to be off this stuff. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-01-2009, 10:01 PM	#9
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? i would love to get liquid. but i don't have insurance and i don't know what kind of reception i would get at a walk-in clinic. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-01-2009, 11:26 PM	#10
Songbird Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 7,046	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? You can't get a smaller pill? We can only get 20mg here, I can imagine 30mg pill would be that much more difficult. Some people use a nail file and file the pieces smaller instead of trying to cut them the right size. A scale helps to get the size more accurate. __________________ Jul 01-Feb 02 Aropax Feb - Dec 03 Citalopram Jul 04 Aropax Jan 07 - Feb 08 20mg - 5mg Apr 4.5mg 5mg Jun 10mg zopiclone > seroquel Jul 20mg Aug + methionine Oct aropax > loxamine Dec off seroquel 7 Dec 17.5mg 30 Dec 15mg 24 Jan 12.5mg 16 Feb 10mg 10 May 9mg 30 May 8mg 5 July 7.5mg 2 Aug 7.25mg 1 Sep 7mg 9 Oct 6.75mg 8 Nov 6.5mg Appreciation is the antidote to stress - Trust is the antidote to fear

07-02-2009, 01:39 AM	#11
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? i use a razor blade and jewelers scale. my doc won't prescribe liquid. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-02-2009, 03:36 AM	#12
Songbird Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 7,046	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? Would your doc be willing to prescribe lower dose pills? I think you can get 10mg pills over there. Even 20mg pills might be easier than 30mg, although I don't know what the actual pill sizes are. Have you tried the nail file method? __________________ Jul 01-Feb 02 Aropax Feb - Dec 03 Citalopram Jul 04 Aropax Jan 07 - Feb 08 20mg - 5mg Apr 4.5mg 5mg Jun 10mg zopiclone > seroquel Jul 20mg Aug + methionine Oct aropax > loxamine Dec off seroquel 7 Dec 17.5mg 30 Dec 15mg 24 Jan 12.5mg 16 Feb 10mg 10 May 9mg 30 May 8mg 5 July 7.5mg 2 Aug 7.25mg 1 Sep 7mg 9 Oct 6.75mg 8 Nov 6.5mg Appreciation is the antidote to stress - Trust is the antidote to fear

07-02-2009, 06:55 AM	#13
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? my doctor doesn't want me off the paxil, so he's no help at all. i asked the pharmacy if they would fill my 30 mg prescription with 10 mg pills but they said no. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-02-2009, 10:06 AM	#14
carolyn Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,105	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? Sounds like it's time for a new doctor! Yikes! __________________ 10mg: 5/02 - 8/07 for panic disorder 20mg: 8/07 - 8/08 CBT: 8/07 - 2/08. Recommended! 1 unsuccessful taper in 7/08; went back to 20mg 2008: 8/2: 18.75mg 8/24: 17.25mg 9/28: 16.10mg 10/19: 15mg 11/9: 13.75mg 11/30: 12.5mg 12/21: 11.25mg 2009: 1/11: 10.6mg 2/1: 10mg 2/22: 9.4mg 3/6: 9.2mg (liquid) 3/29: 8.4mg 4/19: 7.6mg 5/10: 6.8mg 5/31: 6.2mg 6/21: 5.6mg 7/12: 5.1mg 8/2: 4.8mg 8/23: 4.4mg 9/13: 4mg 10/4: 3.7mg 10/25: 3.4mg 11/15: 3.1mg

07-02-2009, 10:33 AM	#16
pax80 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 3,696	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? I don't know if this suits paxil, it's about water titration... http://www.paxilprogress.org/forums/...d.php?p=424700

07-02-2009, 01:20 PM	#17
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? I've been seeing this guy for 10 years. he says I have a depressive personality and cannot function without an AD and that I should just resign myself to it. He says SSRIs "are perfectly safe and non-toxic." Whenever I have asked for liquid paxil he just says no and won't explain. It cost me about $350 for my first apptment with him, which I assume is a typical cost for a first appt and that's just way more than I can afford. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-02-2009, 02:43 PM	#18
carolyn Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,105	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? What your doctor is telling you is horse$hit and I think you know it. For the sake of argument, so what if you do have a "depressive personality" (whatever that is)? Has he ever talked to you about therapy or non-medicinal methods of stress reduction and self-esteem? Would you continue to hire a contractor that trashed your living room and then lied to you about who did it? If you kept winding up with root canals because your dentist wasn't finding your cavities in time, would you keep going to him? Ditch this guy -- at least for the mental health parts of your relationship, he might be a great GP for broken bones or sniffles -- and find someone who shares your goals. __________________ 10mg: 5/02 - 8/07 for panic disorder 20mg: 8/07 - 8/08 CBT: 8/07 - 2/08. Recommended! 1 unsuccessful taper in 7/08; went back to 20mg 2008: 8/2: 18.75mg 8/24: 17.25mg 9/28: 16.10mg 10/19: 15mg 11/9: 13.75mg 11/30: 12.5mg 12/21: 11.25mg 2009: 1/11: 10.6mg 2/1: 10mg 2/22: 9.4mg 3/6: 9.2mg (liquid) 3/29: 8.4mg 4/19: 7.6mg 5/10: 6.8mg 5/31: 6.2mg 6/21: 5.6mg 7/12: 5.1mg 8/2: 4.8mg 8/23: 4.4mg 9/13: 4mg 10/4: 3.7mg 10/25: 3.4mg 11/15: 3.1mg

07-02-2009, 03:17 PM	#19
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? thanks Carolyn. I plan on ditching him just as soon as I'm off this stuff. i have an apptment the first week of august, which i've decided to keep so i can get another round of ambien. i have plenty of paxil to see me through to the end, but I've decided to give myself some time to recover before i taper off the ambien. and this guy is no GP. he's a board certified psychiatrist. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-02-2009, 06:41 PM	#20
rain Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,887	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? I stopped Prozac at around 5mgs and I was okay. I wouldn't attempt that again tho and suggest that you don't either. You've been cutting pills for so long now... what's a few more months so that you continue to feel good. Definitely ditch this doctor. Can't imagine why he wouldn't give you the liquid... and not even offer an explanation! Good luck with the last 5mgs. __________________ Currently 20mg Celexa 6/6/09 - 17mg appx. 7/6/09 - 15mg 9/7/09 - 12 1/2 appx. 10/24/09 10mg ...and then the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin

07-02-2009, 06:58 PM	#21
AussieGirl Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 1,223	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? Jean I too am at 5mgs and like you my Doctor said I needed meds for life for my panic disorder/depression. I switched doctors and got a script for the pharmacy to make me up a special paxil liquid as it is not available in Austalia. I would strongly recommend you do the same. I've been on meds for 21 years now but like Carolyn says thru CBT; meditation; regular exercise and the support here I am ( just like you) going to be med . free.((((HUGS)))) I intend to keep tapering 10% until zero. I have been on meds so long I want to give myself the best possible chance of full recovery. PS My new Doctor was in the same practice and whilst not perfect he at least gives me the script for the liquid !!!! __________________ 1988-1997:Nardil ( MAOI) for PND & Panic attacks 1997: Off Nardil & comm.Paxil 60mgs 1998:Went c/t. w/d was awful . Went back on 40mgs paxil. 1998-2001: 20-10mgs paxil. 2002: 20mgs paxil whilst pregnant. Daughter 2 months prem 8th Sept.08 To 10mgsTHEN found this site!!!! 31st Oct. 10mgs struggling 1stDec.9mgs1stJan09.8mgs1stFeb.7.5mgs 28March6.8mgs23rdapril6.1mgspharmacist liquid23rdMay5.5mgs15Jun5mgs7thJuly4.5mgs[[b]23rdJulyCrashed. Back to 10mgs.

07-02-2009, 07:20 PM	#23
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? no, no GP. I go to walk in clinics. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

07-02-2009, 09:39 PM	#24
rain Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,887	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? Is the psychiatrist at the walk-in clinic? I doubt that or at least I've never heard of a psychiatrist at a walk-in. I'm thinking that a GP there could prescribe the liquid?? __________________ Currently 20mg Celexa 6/6/09 - 17mg appx. 7/6/09 - 15mg 9/7/09 - 12 1/2 appx. 10/24/09 10mg ...and then the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin

07-02-2009, 10:03 PM	#25
Jean56 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 584	Re: has anyone quit at 5mgs? no the psychiatrist is at a different office. i started seeing him a decade ago when i had insurance. i could try that. __________________ Paxil for depression since 1998; ambien for delayed sleep cycle since 1998. started tapering from 30 mgs Paxil in Dec. 08. Paxil free since July 7! Still on 10 mgs ambien for sleep issues.

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