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Old 10-14-2009, 05:03 AM   #1
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Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

Today I have stayed on for 3 weeks at 318.8mg and feel prepared to drop to 300mg.

It has gone remarkably smooth, at 318.8mg for 3 weeks this time.

I have very bothering head pressure and headache, feeling alot worse, at the end of 3rd week into 4th week.

But I know as I drop, headaches lift 100% and I will feel better/worse and then better,
a plateau before the headpressure goes into a more constant form of headache, around after 3th week.

My theory why this happen is because when I was upping the dose in past, and after some time,
I had this emotional feeling of the world crashing in me, crying spells (serotonin depleted)

Dropping makes serotonin increase too much at the end, which causes headaches and headpressure,
and feeling like a zombie, absolutely no crying or emotional feeling and disabled.

Maybe has to do with reuptake/release mechanism to response after upping or lowering dose?

What do you all think about this?
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Was upto 450 mg Effexor (equiv 120 mg Celexa).

Switched to Celexa 20mg at 23 nov 2012 because cant stand being on Effexor XR.

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Old 10-14-2009, 05:46 AM   #2
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

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Today I have stayed on for 3 weeks at 318.8mg and feel prepared to drop to 300mg.

It has gone remarkably smooth, at 318.8mg for 3 weeks this time.

I have very bothering head pressure and headache, feeling alot worse, at the end of 3rd week into 4th week.

But I know as I drop, headaches lift 100% and I will feel better/worse and then better,
a plateau before the headpressure goes into a more constant form of headache, around after 3th week.

My theory why this happen is because when I was upping the dose in past, and after some time,
I had this emotional feeling of the world crashing in me, crying spells (serotonin depleted)

Dropping makes serotonin increase too much at the end, which causes headaches and headpressure,
and feeling like a zombie, absolutely no crying or emotional feeling and disabled.

Maybe has to do with reuptake/release mechanism to response after upping or lowering dose?

What do you all think about this?
Nothing is known how these drugs work in the human brain. These are all theories. As for head pressure i had that when it was very intense. I was on your dose of effexor plus paxil. It took 2 full years for that pressure to relieve. Whats left now is excruciating headaches/head pains with the abrupt withdrawal of 2 high doses of antidepressants. I was unaware of how intense and dangerous abrupt or cold turkey withdrawal could be. Never abruptly withdrawal or CT the dose you are on. The symptoms can be long lasting or even permanent. I have headaches (parasthesias) after 2 1/2 years of weaning off effexor and paxil at max dosages. The pain is so bad i have no choice but to take opiates for the pain which i been taking for 1 1/2 years.

My shrink weaned me off these drugs too quick. I never had choice nor warned of the risks of these drugs before taking them. I was literally coerced, pressured into taking them by a psychiatrist when i was a teenager. Systematic manipulation by psychs is dangerous when you're young, naive, and vulnerable. I'm sure you knew of the risks before you started AD's? did you not?.
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Old 10-14-2009, 06:07 AM   #3
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

NeuronTwist, you were on high dose Effexor and Paxil? How much? Ouch, man!

And you basically cold turkeyed off em by a careless psych? How fast?

Your situation sounds very excruating.

Head pressure then headaches? Sounds like me in poop out, strange.

I did not know the risks of taking an AD, nothing.

I did have startup side effects on Celexa.

It was horrible but the psych started me on 2,5mg Celexa, with doubling every week to 20mg. She said to me I will feel worse before feeling better and it did. I had feelings of wanting to jump off the balcony (suicidal tendencies) and panic, side effects, but they were short-lasting and did come ONE at a time, lasting only max 1 hours (sometimes only some secs). I was though in fear (what in hell is happening with me?) but decided to tough it out.
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Reinstated too late 3 mos out.
Was upto 450 mg Effexor (equiv 120 mg Celexa).

Switched to Celexa 20mg at 23 nov 2012 because cant stand being on Effexor XR.

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Old 10-14-2009, 07:40 AM   #4
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

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NeuronTwist, you were on high dose Effexor and Paxil? How much? Ouch, man!

And you basically cold turkeyed off em by a careless psych? How fast?

Your situation sounds very excruating.

Head pressure then headaches? Sounds like me in poop out, strange.

I did not know the risks of taking an AD, nothing.

I did have startup side effects on Celexa.

It was horrible but the psych started me on 2,5mg Celexa, with doubling every week to 20mg. She said to me I will feel worse before feeling better and it did. I had feelings of wanting to jump off the balcony (suicidal tendencies) and panic, side effects, but they were short-lasting and did come ONE at a time, lasting only max 1 hours (sometimes only some secs). I was though in fear (what in hell is happening with me?) but decided to tough it out.
Yeah i was on 60mg's Paxil and 225mg of Effexor (COMBINED). This was taken for 1 month until i developed "serotonin syndrome" and wanted off. prior to taking both these AD's "combined", i was on Paxil 60mg's for 5 years but also took various ssri's continuously for 17 years from medium to high doses.

The psych weaned me off 60mg's Paxil, 225mg's Effexor, Xanax (cant remember specific dose) and cigarettes. All these substances were weaned out of my body in 6 weeks. This bring the emergence of extreme tightness in my head, excruciating pain, and the emergence of physical and psychological symptoms.


While off these drugs for 2 -3 months i was losing my sanity as well as neurological sensory disturbances started. Head felt like a full balloon with water, unsteady gait, slurred speech, memory loss, confusion, etc. All the symptoms you can think of. I reinstated 40mg's Paxil but not Effexor and that provided some relief but again went down fast from 40mg's to 30mg's in 1-2 weeks. I didn't want to go back to my original high dose and thought i was able to withstand and ride out the withdrawal symptoms till they subsided. I was WRONG.

I eventually went on 20mg's Paxil and weaned 1mg down per month still suffering tremendous Neurological headaches that haven't gone completely away and makes me un-functionable. After suffering this pain in my head for 1 year and nobody believing the severity of my pain i was seen by a Neurologist who gave me an Opiod drug which eliminated the pain and was able to breath and function better.

I was referred to a pain specialist who has been treating my chronic head pains from AD withdrawal with Opiods. I took them for 1 1/2 years and made me function, but the side effects were too much for me to handle. (confusion, depression, dopey drugged up feeling). After 1 1/2 years of Opiod use i wanted to get off the long acting narcotics that i was taking in combination with short acting narcotics. The process of weaning off long acting narcotics brought me rebound headaches and my underlying SSRI withdrawal head pains. I take low doses of short acting opiates while slowly weaning off the long acting opiates i been taking in conjunction with short acting opiates.

Opiods are good for pain and improved my quality of life but i do not want to be on these drugs for the rest of my life. The SSRI withdrawal head pains keep coming back while weaning off long acting Opiods. I have "central pain" caused by abrupt cessation of high doses of AD's and benzos.

The psychiatrist who weaned me off these drugs destroyed my life. I am in pain daily while fighting to get off Opiods hoping the pain has gone. It has not gone. I was never warned of the risks associated with psych drugs when i took them for 17 years. I was 17 at the time i took them and found out 17 years later that i was brainwashed, lied, coerced, and tricked by psychiatrists.

This is my story, a story thats frightening about the extreme dangers of SSRI and SNRI antidepressants. These drugs damage the CNS. I have waited 2 1/2 years for this pain to subside to even a comfortable level but it has not. My pain is still at a max 10 but has taken a different sensory form. I may have to take Opiates for the rest of my life whether i like it or not.

Many ask why i went to such high doses of AD's?. Thats an easy question to answer. I was tricked, brainwashed, lied too, and led to believe i had a "chemical imbalance disease" in my brain when i was 17 and saw a psychiatrist for minor anxieties. I was immediately prescribed psych drugs and led to believe for 17 long years it was fixing faulty "neurotransmitters". I always felt sick but never knew it was the drugs, that the psych drugs were my problem. I was brainwashed for 17 years at a young age and made to believe what psychiatrists told me. You take a young, naive, vulnerable young boy in a psychiatrists office and you have a psychiatrist and her back up assistant staring at you like they're hypnotizing you, you get stuck in fear and are controlled. This is a tactic they use to overpower victims to comply with their demands to get their clients to take their drugs.

I found out about their fraud 17 years later. A little to late. Psychiatrists like the young ones to manipulate.
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:43 AM   #5
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

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NeuronTwist, you were on high dose Effexor and Paxil? How much? Ouch, man!

And you basically cold turkeyed off em by a careless psych? How fast?

Your situation sounds very excruating.

Head pressure then headaches? Sounds like me in poop out, strange.

I did not know the risks of taking an AD, nothing.

I did have startup side effects on Celexa.

It was horrible but the psych started me on 2,5mg Celexa, with doubling every week to 20mg. She said to me I will feel worse before feeling better and it did. I had feelings of wanting to jump off the balcony (suicidal tendencies) and panic, side effects, but they were short-lasting and did come ONE at a time, lasting only max 1 hours (sometimes only some secs). I was though in fear (what in hell is happening with me?) but decided to tough it out.
You had head pains too?. Tell me how they felt. Explain to me in detail how your head pains/headaches felt. Thanks.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:04 AM   #6
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

Neurontwist--I have major head pressures too 9 months out. Have you had any symptom reduction? Does anything help?
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Old 10-14-2009, 12:54 PM   #7
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Neurontwist--I have major head pressures too 9 months out. Have you had any symptom reduction? Does anything help?
Nothing has helped except some symptom reduction with opiates. I still have chronic head pressure thats painful 2 1/2 years after abrupt cessation of the drugs. Do you have any pain associated with your head pressure?. Or did your head pressure reduce to a functionable level.
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:05 PM   #8
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

Not easy to explain, it is mostly in prefrontal cortex.

A general pressure feeling that can go over into headache.

Like a tight band around the forehead, 2 cm up the eyes.
Something feels like a tight band inside there between frontal lobes area.

Constricted feeling, with popping when the headache is more severe.
Serotonin is a vasoconstrictor so I think it makes sense,
but more details is not known why antidepressants cause head pressure/headaches.

If I dont drop in poop out, the headache will continue to migraines and nausea, light sensitivity, vomiting. I dropped today to 300 mg and I feel ok again, thanks god. I can explain more details for you later, I am tired now.
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Ct benzos,Lyrica and Remeron -06/07
Ct taper Effexor 300-75mg summer -08
Ct 8 yr tobacco habit.
Reinstated too late 3 mos out.
Was upto 450 mg Effexor (equiv 120 mg Celexa).

Switched to Celexa 20mg at 23 nov 2012 because cant stand being on Effexor XR.

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Old 10-14-2009, 02:14 PM   #9
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

My head pressure is like a tension headache. When was your last dose of any AD or benzo?
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:20 PM   #10
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Re: Head pressure > Headache is worse before dropping in poop out

I have head pains quite often at various places. I've found that taking a bath and placing my head in the warm water seems to ease things a little. I would love an indian head massage, they are supposed to be great for such pains.
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