Explanation for wave/window phenomenon?

ajm222 · 12-02-2009, 08:51 AM

Just wondering why this exists. You would think we would get better slowly, along a steady continuum. But it often seems people have these periods of feeling good followed by periods of feeling bad with little in between. Do you think it might be because situations in life interupt the healing process and knock us back down for a while, then we jump back to where we were in the healing process once we figure out that we'll still be ok? Or is there some other chemical explanation? Just wondering what your thoughts might be on this.

Thanks!

Lukster5 · 12-02-2009, 09:02 AM

there's plenty of threads on this if you search "waves" in the search box.
i'm sure you'll get your answer there

LCrawford67 · 12-02-2009, 09:15 AM

As Lukster stated, there are many threads about this. But, the short answer (theory) is, as the brain heals and readjusts chemically, you'll experience ups and downs.

Yes, stressful situations will also play a role in this, as will illness, such as colds and flu.

jule1 · 12-02-2009, 09:54 AM

I have this theory that the reason the waves are so unpredictable is because serotonin affects the whole body, organs, circulation, muscles, nervous system, etc. and so where one area heals and gets plenty of serotonin maybe another area is deficient which would explain all the different symptoms experienced at different times. I don't really know. No evidence for this but just my best guess.

Songbird · 12-02-2009, 02:26 PM

My theory is that it is to do with the way the different systems of the body adjust and the different timings for the different systems, and the way these systems affect each other. Pretty much like Jule said. One system trying to rebalance itself could then throw the balance out somewhere else.

stan · 12-05-2009, 06:35 AM

my theory is based on memory

hello, sorry bad english
paxil before, there is a control system that operates without messaging suffering, it is stored in a drawer A and updated all the time
during paxil, there is another system that is stored in another drawer B
paxil after, the body suffers with the drawer B and tries to correct for months
sometimes it opens the old drawer A and then suddenly there is almost ok: the window is not perfect but it works
but which closes after a while, why ?
and the brain takes the drawer B with suffering

This explains why some stop AD and as the brain takes the drawer A, they do not suffer, they just needed to update

but when you have AD take long, the drawer A is too distant
recovery may be a mixture of many B (suffering) with a bit of A = new drawer C (futur permanent window...)

for those who have made AD a short period, there are many A and little B, so they suffer very little

bye

12-02-2009, 08:51 AM	#1
ajm222 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 232	Explanation for wave/window phenomenon? Just wondering why this exists. You would think we would get better slowly, along a steady continuum. But it often seems people have these periods of feeling good followed by periods of feeling bad with little in between. Do you think it might be because situations in life interupt the healing process and knock us back down for a while, then we jump back to where we were in the healing process once we figure out that we'll still be ok? Or is there some other chemical explanation? Just wondering what your thoughts might be on this. Thanks! __________________ Zoloft, 200mg from late 1997 to 2004. Lexapro, 20mg from 2004-2006 Zoloft again, mainly 200mg from 2006-2009 Off meds since May 2009

12-02-2009, 09:02 AM	#2
Lukster5 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 143	Re: Explanation for wave/window phenomenon? there's plenty of threads on this if you search "waves" in the search box. i'm sure you'll get your answer there __________________ Dec 5th, 2008 - 3 weeks on 10mg paxil for a panic attack (Caffine Induced) Adverse Reaction - Severe side effects began Dec. 26th, 2008 - Paxil Free Note - No prior history of anxiety, depression, or SSRI's in general

12-02-2009, 09:15 AM	#3
LCrawford67 Moderator "Everybody poops" Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 30,287	Re: Explanation for wave/window phenomenon? As Lukster stated, there are many threads about this. But, the short answer (theory) is, as the brain heals and readjusts chemically, you'll experience ups and downs. Yes, stressful situations will also play a role in this, as will illness, such as colds and flu. __________________ aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 *"Whether You Believe You Can, Or You Can't, You Are Right."* ~ Henry Ford

12-02-2009, 09:54 AM	#4
jule1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,914	Re: Explanation for wave/window phenomenon? I have this theory that the reason the waves are so unpredictable is because serotonin affects the whole body, organs, circulation, muscles, nervous system, etc. and so where one area heals and gets plenty of serotonin maybe another area is deficient which would explain all the different symptoms experienced at different times. I don't really know. No evidence for this but just my best guess. __________________ Was on Effexor (150mg) @January? of 2006 until January 1, 2008. Weaned off over 3 month period with no instructions of weaning from doctor. 24 months off Effexor January 2010 and still protracted withdrawal Supplements: Tryptophan, Magnesium, Fish Oil, Calcium D, Stress B Complex, Ashwagandha, tapering .5 mg Xanax at bedtime 2/15-.4375mg 3/12-.375 mg 4/5-.3125 mg 4/23-.25 mg 5/21-.1875 mg 6/17-.125 mg 7/13-.0625mg 8/29-0

12-02-2009, 02:26 PM	#5
Songbird Queen of the appendage vocabulary Join Date: May 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 9,170	Re: Explanation for wave/window phenomenon? My theory is that it is to do with the way the different systems of the body adjust and the different timings for the different systems, and the way these systems affect each other. Pretty much like Jule said. One system trying to rebalance itself could then throw the balance out somewhere else. __________________ Jul 01-Feb 02 Aropax Feb - Dec 03 Citalopram Jul 04 Aropax Jan 07 - Feb 08 20mg - 5mg Apr 4.5mg 5mg Jun 10mg zopiclone > seroquel Jul 20mg Aug + methionine Oct aropax > loxamine Dec off seroquel 7 Dec 17.5mg 30 Dec 15mg 24 Jan 12.5mg 16 Feb 10mg 10 May 9mg 30 May 8mg 5 July 7.5mg 2 Aug 7.25mg 1 Sep 7mg 9 Oct 6.75mg 8 Nov 6.5mg 18 Dec 6.3mg Appreciation is the antidote to stress - Trust is the antidote to fear

12-05-2009, 06:35 AM	#6
stan Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: FRANCE Posts: 2,053	Re: Explanation for wave/window phenomenon? my theory is based on memory hello, sorry bad english paxil before, there is a control system that operates without messaging suffering, it is stored in a drawer A and updated all the time during paxil, there is another system that is stored in another drawer B paxil after, the body suffers with the drawer B and tries to correct for months sometimes it opens the old drawer A and then suddenly there is almost ok: the window is not perfect but it works but which closes after a while, why ? and the brain takes the drawer B with suffering This explains why some stop AD and as the brain takes the drawer A, they do not suffer, they just needed to update but when you have AD take long, the drawer A is too distant recovery may be a mixture of many B (suffering) with a bit of A = new drawer C (futur permanent window...) for those who have made AD a short period, there are many A and little B, so they suffer very little bye __________________ 59 years old, for anxiety 12 years paxil, cold turkey 1,5 month,held 8 days, then switch citalopram, 1 month 20 mg then taper 11 months avril 2008 to march 2009 : 20 mg to 0 mg off since april 2009

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