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Old 05-05-2010, 02:22 PM   #1
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Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

I'm on my 4th withdrawal attempt, going very very slowly.
I'm down to 10 mg. My original dose was 20 mg. It took several
months to get down to 10 mg. I've been at this dose for about a month
now and I'm very restless and my mind is very anxious.

I keep worrying about regular everyday stuff and can't concentrate
easily. My mind is all over the place.

What can I do to calm this horrible anxiety? It really is annoying
and not comfortable AT ALL. I'm already tapering very slowly, what
else can I do? I can barely sit still and relax. This withdrawal sucks so bad.
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Old 05-05-2010, 03:19 PM   #2
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

Have you read "Hope and Help For Your Nerves" by Claire Weekes?

There are also many mindfulness tips that you can implement to help with anxiety and restlessness: progressive muscle relaxation, yoga, meditation. Cutting out sugar and caffeine also help.
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Old 05-05-2010, 04:05 PM   #3
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

Hi,

Sorry you are having a bad time of it. I can relate. I have this restless body syndrome thing going on and it is misery. I can't seem to be still. And my mind is jumping from fear to fear.

I don't usually recommend supplements, as I do believe that taking stuff can get in the way of natural healing. But I have had a little luck with
L-theanine. Do your own research about this, OK? Don't take my word for it. I am sure it is not for everyone. And I use it very sparingly. But it takes the edge off the worst of it for me. Sometimes. http://www.web-us.com/l-theanine_anxiety_reducer.htm

Here is a link to a little info: http://www.web-us.com/l-theanine_anxiety_reducer.htm

I wish you rapid healing,
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Old 05-05-2010, 04:11 PM   #4
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

Keep in mind a couple of things, Mozart: Slow taper doesn't mean symptom free. Hopefully though, what you do experience will be relatively mild and short lived.

Also keep in mind, the lower you go in dose, the more likely your original issue is to start rearing its ugly head. It's very important, while you're tapering, you seek out alternative ways of dealing with what brought you to medication in the first place.
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Old 05-05-2010, 08:49 PM   #5
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

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Keep in mind a couple of things, Mozart: Slow taper doesn't mean symptom free. Hopefully though, what you do experience will be relatively mild and short lived.

Also keep in mind, the lower you go in dose, the more likely your original issue is to start rearing its ugly head. It's very important, while you're tapering, you seek out alternative ways of dealing with what brought you to medication in the first place.
Thanks. Ya I know that a slow taper is not symptom-free. I just wish there
was something I could do to calm this anxiety other than just be patient.

And I know my original symptoms will return, but this was never an original symptom of mine. I had problems but not the kind where my mind is all over the place and I can't concentrate. That is a withdrawal problem only. Never had this before I started withdrawal
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Old 05-06-2010, 02:54 AM   #6
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

What is your exact weaning schedule? Complete.

I suggest you CBT, it is effective.

I have not tried L-Theanine but will order.
I believe in it too.

Also, if you have problems I recommend you go down even slower like I and Pokie - we are successful tapers. 2-3% each 3 weeks.
Why not? It is not too slow. It works! Maybe you are one of us that needs very, very slow taper.

Maybe you are tapering too fast. Updose, get stable and do a much slower taper from now on.
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Old 05-06-2010, 05:57 AM   #7
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

I agree with Mixter. You may have tapered too fast. I don't know what you mean by several months - a 10% taper from 20 to 10 would take 7 - 8 months, but for some people even 10% is too fast. I would take a nice loooong break at 10 mg (I think you said you were going to do that anyway?) and then taper more slowly from now on - maybe try 5% or even smaller drops.
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Old 05-06-2010, 05:01 PM   #8
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I agree with Mixter. You may have tapered too fast. I don't know what you mean by several months - a 10% taper from 20 to 10 would take 7 - 8 months, but for some people even 10% is too fast. I would take a nice loooong break at 10 mg (I think you said you were going to do that anyway?) and then taper more slowly from now on - maybe try 5% or even smaller drops.
Yes I'm gonna stay on 10mg for a total of 3 or 4 months, I think.
And yeah I suppose tapering from 10mg to 0mg should be even slower.

Thanks for the advice everyone
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:47 PM   #9
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

Anyone else have some useful advice?
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Old 05-09-2010, 02:30 AM   #10
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

Yes, sitting at one dose for far too long, can produce these symptoms too, as your body adjusts to the lesser dose, you need to make a plaN TO REDUCE EVERY 3/4 WEEKS OR SO .

I too, tried to take a holiday from w/d after stabilising at a dose, and it ramped everything up badly, i didnt make the connection about sitting too long aT ONE DOSE EITHER, maybe this is something else you may want to consider might be causing this too.I found that when symptoms escalated like this they were eased by tapering again, but make it very small.

Sometimes its near on impossible to get a break in w/d, by staying at a particular dose,it produces the very symptoms this drug was made to cure!!!!!
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:01 PM   #11
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Yes, sitting at one dose for far too long, can produce these symptoms too, as your body adjusts to the lesser dose, you need to make a plaN TO REDUCE EVERY 3/4 WEEKS OR SO .

I too, tried to take a holiday from w/d after stabilising at a dose, and it ramped everything up badly, i didnt make the connection about sitting too long aT ONE DOSE EITHER, maybe this is something else you may want to consider might be causing this too.I found that when symptoms escalated like this they were eased by tapering again, but make it very small.

Sometimes its near on impossible to get a break in w/d, by staying at a particular dose,it produces the very symptoms this drug was made to cure!!!!!
this is an interesting theory but I don't agree with it.
If I stay at 10 mg for 4 months, it can't be worse than reducing
every 3 weeks. I think staying at a dose for some time brings some
stabilization.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:23 PM   #12
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Re: Restless, Can't Concentrate, Mind Racing

i hope so Mozart, and I hope you get better also, but i've been on 10 mgs of celexa for 33 weeks and nort much better, with groin problems and tingling in my hands, and feet, ihope i get beter, can't take much more and neither can my mom.
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Old 05-09-2010, 11:19 PM   #13
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These meds suck
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Old 05-10-2010, 03:13 AM   #14
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Yes, sitting at one dose for far too long, can produce these symptoms too, as your body adjusts to the lesser dose, you need to make a plaN TO REDUCE EVERY 3/4 WEEKS OR SO .

I too, tried to take a holiday from w/d after stabilising at a dose, and it ramped everything up badly, i didnt make the connection about sitting too long aT ONE DOSE EITHER, maybe this is something else you may want to consider might be causing this too.I found that when symptoms escalated like this they were eased by tapering again, but make it very small.

Sometimes its near on impossible to get a break in w/d, by staying at a particular dose,it produces the very symptoms this drug was made to cure!!!!!
i agree with you,

i , never stabilize during taper, but never wait more than 3 weeks

logically when we stay a few months on a dose we stabilize, but not always,
when long term taken or poop out or other reason unknown, we cannot stabilize and feel better,
so , certain people suffer without end, certain switch( problems) , certain cold turkey , certain taper systematic as i

the solution is difficult to know before

so try to wait, if not goes, taper
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Yes, sitting at one dose for far too long, can produce these symptoms too, as your body adjusts to the lesser dose, you need to make a plaN TO REDUCE EVERY 3/4 WEEKS OR SO .

I too, tried to take a holiday from w/d after stabilising at a dose, and it ramped everything up badly, i didnt make the connection about sitting too long aT ONE DOSE EITHER, maybe this is something else you may want to consider might be causing this too.I found that when symptoms escalated like this they were eased by tapering again, but make it very small.

Sometimes its near on impossible to get a break in w/d, by staying at a particular dose,it produces the very symptoms this drug was made to cure!!!!!
That has definitely been my experience as I taper the Doxepin.

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Old 05-10-2010, 11:37 AM   #16
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What do you think about all this, LCrawford?
Isn't it the case that you should listen to your body instead
of following a strict 3 week schedule?
Shouldn't I stay at 10mg for as long as it takes me to stabilize before
tapering further?
Apparently several people are saying I should keep tapering no matter
what, even if I have not stabilized. I'm skeptical about that argument though.
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:43 AM   #17
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Hey, don't drag me into this! LOL!!

Here's the thing, Mozart...if you're hitting tolerance (poop out) you may in fact feel better if you lower dose and, as others stated, you may not fully hit your definition of stable. So, there's a possiblity you could stay at 10 mgs for years, and still not feel as good as you think you should before dropping again. Stable, is a relative term.

That being said, you have to do what YOU feel comfortable with. If you don't feel you should taper at this point, then don't. You've been at this dose for about 4 weeks, correct? Our recommendation has always been 3-6 weeks, so you can certainly wait a couple more weeks before deciding anything.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:48 PM   #18
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I've been at 10mg for 7 weeks.
I don't intend to stay at 10 mg for a long time really.
Just 3 or 4 months. Then I begin the second phase
of my withdrawal, which seems to be the hardest for me
by far: going from 10 mg to 0mg
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if you look back at some of my posts a couple of years ago, i had this so bad that every moment was a bizarre sort of torment. my mind was so full of static i couldn't keep a train of thought for more than one second. that is so exaggeration. i tried boatloads of supplements but the problem was so extreme nothing seemed to really help (although i seem to remember getting a little improvement from b vitamins, and temporary relief with tyrosine). really it's just been slowly dissipating over the last 2 years. only recently have i found myself engaging in activities that require some level of concentration and focus and time, which amazes me.

if your restless mind fog is as bad as mine was, all i can really recommend is long walks, because they kill time and give you lots of little things to think about as you walk past them, not to mention they're healthy and from what i've read increase blood flow to the brain. also i watched a lot of television, which was ok because it's designed to appeal to extremely short attention spans and could distract me from all the miserable thoughts in my head.
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Every situation is different. For some people staying on the same dose for an extended time doesn't work. But I am so exhausted from all this tapering that I am going to try and take a nice long break (probably many months) at 5 mg and see if I can stabilize there. If not then I guess I'll keep plugging away at the taper. Let me know how staying at 10 mg works for you, Mozart!
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