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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Couldnt make it
Well I tried and tried and you were all right. I cut from 20mg to 10 several months ago with no physical symptoms (was just depressed) and decided to wean off (at the wrong pace). Went down to five for a few weeks and then to none. Did not have all the symptoms but enough to greatly effect my work. Had burning sensations in my head and hands. Could not concentrate and oh boy, the depression. I did not have a return of any positive feelings, just severe depression. I finally had two days off in a row (it has been a long time) as I am an executive in a large company that is open on weekends. I spent both days miserable, crying, depressed, and physically not right. When I stopped the paxil (16 days ago) I went to a very good doctor who informed me that it is indeed a very troublesome drug to get off of. Many of his patients have had problems. He gently suggested that if the withdrawal was too severe, I should consider a temporary switch to prozac as it has a much longer half life and is easier to wean off of. I (at that time) mocked him and swore that I did not want to take another pill.
Arriving at work today (I thought I would be out of the woods by now) I had terrible tingling, could not concentrate, could not get anything done, and was ready to rip off everyone's head. The doctor made some time with me and needless to say I just took my first 20mg prozac. I am supposed to take it for two weeks and go back to see him. If I am doing okay, he said he will help me wean off of those. I urge all newcomers to listen to the people on this site. They know what they are doing and just because you may think you are a tough guy/girl ( I am 220lbs and 6ft, and a former athlete) that has nothing to do with it. My failure has added to my already existing depression and now I have to start all over again. |
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Re: Couldnt make it
Not a failure, vetteman! Not at all! We all have to live and learn and you've now learned. So, you just go back up, get stable, and taper from there.
Look, I was on 20 mgs of Paxil for 10 years. Had two very unsuccessful atempts at quitting. Found this site, tapered over a year's time (which really flew by) and I'll be Paxil free for 3 years in December. YOU CAN DO THIS!
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aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 Today is the best day, EVER! |
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Re: Couldnt make it
Whoops! I see you switched to Prozac....that works for some, but not for most. Why not just go back to the hair of the dog?
One drug to deal with, not two
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aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 Today is the best day, EVER! |
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Hmm, horse penis and lemongrass?>
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: SF Bay Area, CA
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Re: Couldnt make it
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." - Thomas Edison
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10mg: May 2002 - August 2007 for panic disorder. 20mg: August 2007 - August 2008; doubled dose after hitting poop-out. Started Cognitive Behavioral Therapy in August 2007. Recommended! Tried to taper too fast in July 2008 and went back to 20mg. Started to taper on August 2, 2008. Dropped by 8% to 10% every three weeks. Switched to liquid at 9.2mg on March 6, 2009. PAXIL FREE: June 27, 2010 |
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 367
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Re: Couldnt make it
consider yourself lucky. some of us jumped off too quick and too much time passed before realizing our mistake, and with the possibility that jumping back on after a few months could be life threatening we get stuck in purgatory, waiting ages for things to improve at an often imperceptible pace. from the sounds of it you should be just fine, going slowly like everyone here suggests.
good luck!
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Zoloft, 200mg from late 1997 to 2004. Lexapro, 20mg from 2004-2006 Zoloft again, mainly 200mg from 2006-2009 Off meds since May 2009 |
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Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: new jersey
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Re: Couldnt make it
Wean from the drug that you are taking! Adding a new drug only adds the start up symptoms of that drug AND usually doesn't cover the paxil withdrawal. Prozac is not the panacea for withdrawal. Longer half life just means delay of withdrawal symptoms, not no withdrawal.
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Couldnt make it
I was pretty depressed over the last two years on paxil (at 20mg), yet I didnt want to increase the dosage and was hesitant about upsetting the balance. This time I did some homework and saw that the switch to prozac was pretty common and even supported by Dr. Healy. I guess time will tell. I was so desperate at the Dr office that I took a sample. He claims the physical symptoms will be gone in 24-48 hours. If the are not gone, I might consider going back to the paxil. But at this time, the thought of getting back on that drug just makes me crazier than I am. If I make it through the switch I am confident from what I read that it is much much easier to get off of prozac. Will see what happens.
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Re: Couldnt make it
I hope it works for you, but in our experience the withdrawal process is the same as with all ssri's.
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Re: Couldnt make it
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8 months: 10mg Lexapro 12 months: 20mg 12/14/09: 10mg for 2 weeks 01/01/10-03/23/10: 5mg 03/24/10-04/19/10: nothing Experienced bad withdrawal, so decided to reinstate and taper 04/20/10: Reinstated 5mg for 2 weeks 05/06/10: 4.5mg 06/03/10: 4mg 07/26/10: 3.6mg 09/06/10: 3.4mg 11/10/10: 3.1mg (No major withdrawal symptoms below this dose) Continued to taper 10% every 3 weeks... 06/15/11: Reached 0.9mg 07/05/11: 0.8mg 07/27/11: 0.7mg 08/16/11: Off Lexapro! |
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Florida
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Re: Couldnt make it
Scotty, I think you need to have a talk with Dr. Healy.
vetteman, I hope it works for you. If you start to feel worse, you know what to do. |
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Re: Couldnt make it
LOL! Dr. Healy and I talk quite a bit!
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: rural southern Ontario in Canada
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Re: Couldnt make it
My failure has added to my already existing depression and now I have to start all over again.[/quote]
Hi, Vetteman, You have not "failed"; you are learning. Getting off meds isn't a competition but a learning process. Perhaps more like climbing a rock face than like running a race. You have not fallen off a cliff, just had to backtrack having learned something. In my experience, learning about how the brain works isn't on the slate of required learning for CEOs -- although maybe it should be! You might want to look at your symptoms of emotional losses of control in the perspective I wrote to Darkcloud today. You are an athlete and work out. Did you push yourself the last time you were exercising? I was a little concerned about that when I read your post yesterday; over-exercise can overwhelm the nervous system when the "microchip" is damaged. Have you ever noticed whether or not your medication affects your muscles? It must be incredibly difficult for someone who has been an athlete to learn how to judge according to different limits, learning to stop before you ever feel fatigue. Tomatis mentions that the smallest muscle in the body -- the middle ear's stapedius muscle -- affects all the other tensors in the body. If it is dystonic, not fit, that will limit what the other tensors can do. I was not on meds, but muscle myopathy was a feature of my CFS that changed dramatically following my intervention with high-frequency sound. Any day in which you learn something is a good day. I am sure someone famous must have said that. Laurna |
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Join Date: May 2010
Location: Boston MA
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Re: Couldnt make it
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97-01 Paxil 20mg 02-05 Paxil 0.5mg Klonopin 05-09 Lex 20mg 0.5mg Klon 2 month taper 4/09-6/09 8/09 20mg, side effects. drop to 10 then to 5 then cut over to Prozac 10mg Hospitalized 12/09 12/09 15mg Lex 1.5mg Klon, 600mg Neurontin 2/10 12.5mg Lex 1mg Klon, 600mg Neurontin 3/10 10mg Lex 1mg Klon, 300mg Neurontin The sorrow which has no vent in tears may make other organs weep. - Henry Maudsley |
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bay Area, California
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Re: Couldnt make it
Vetteman... I realize that the switch from Paxil to Prozac doesn't work for everyone. However, it did work for me.
I do think you should give yourself longer than two weeks on the Prozac before you taper... personally, I would wait a couple of months. Tapering from the Prozac was much, much easier! |
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Re: Couldnt make it
oh, just that it could cause in an adverse reaction that could result in very severe depression and anxiety and often times suicidal ideation (just like bad withdrawal but sometimes worse). very bad feelings that make some people want to harm themselves. i didn't mean that it would cause physically life threatening problems. though it can, like withdrawal, cause all kinds of physical problems that FEEL life-threatening even though they aren't.
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Couldnt make it
Well at least I know I am not going crazy. Only took the one prozac so far yesterday and physically I am much better (although not near 100%). At least I got in a full mornings work (things were really backing up). The tingling is much less and no headache. Just some fatigue and of course the depression. Also terrible anxiety upon wakening (but that has been for a few months while coming off the paxil). It is amazing that I never had any kind of anxiety before paxil. Even times when I was out of work.
I also realize that there are other factors here that are contributing to my depression. Not to complain, we are all lucky to be alive and at least I am employed. At the moment ( I am a baby boomer), I am unattached. My kids are grown and I basically have lived a very somber life the last year ( I live in one city and work in another). It really upsets my balance when I dont get to go home and even when I do it is to an empty house. Great to work and have a few bucks but what good is it if you dont enjoy anything. The only thing I do is eat out. Once I get stabalized I am going to have to look at the rest of my life for some answers. |
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Re: Couldnt make it
Vetteman, you've got a great head on your shoulders and no, you're not crazy! Good for you for looking at all factors in your life
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aka LC aka Laurie C. Paxil, 20 mg since 1997, for IBS Two unsuccessful attempts to quit. Started tapering 11/27/06 PAXIL FREE 12/29/07 Today is the best day, EVER! |
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Couldnt make it
Thanks LC. Just trying to make it one day at a time. I guess I should have looked at some of the facets of my life awhile back to understand where I am. Unfortunately the economy had a huge effect on my business and I came close to eating catfood-lol. That and some family issues have certainly "changed" me somewhat, but nothing like these awful pills did. I think in my case, my anxiety in the morning is very simple. When I am in a nice comfortable bed (even though I am having terrible time sleeping) the rest of my problems are pretty distant. It is easy to get lost in a book and finally fall asleep. However, when you finally wake up you realize all of the same problems are still there and not going away.
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Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: rural southern Ontario in Canada
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Re: Couldnt make it
Hi, Vetteman,
One of the ways of assessing clinical depression is in terms of what people in general consider minimum comfort levels. Someone who "has it all" and still feels depressed usually has a physiological problem. If mild, it can sometimes be sorted out in the belief system. Sometimes, even if it is severe. On one occasion, our son actually recovered from fairly mild schizophrenia by admitting (confessing) to me that he had stopped hating himself for having "gone out again" (drugging) and putting himself into a state of dependency for months. The next morning when he woke up he no longer had any symptoms of schizophrenia. It took me years to come to understand that through his confession he had regained left brain dominance. The knowledge that one must be at peace with one's sense of what is good and right is ancient knowledge. So the tipping point for a sense of self-worth and satisfaction on the one hand and genuine mental illness on the other can be as simple as sorting out your beliefs, which for Dan entailed accepting my assurance of forgiveness and forgiving himself. I have a friend of about your age who searched everywhere for a partner for a few years. Eventually he found one and they are travelling together, on a cruise at the moment, will be house-hunting when they return, and will probably spend the rest of their days having fun that way. None of that would satisfy me or my husband. Our hopes and dreams lie in different directions. My husband listened to a man pour out his sorrows for an hour yesterday and came home feeling he had made a difference, and that was soul-satisfying for him. You don't have to wait until you are medication-free to get some things sorted out. Your belief system is the foundation of your rationality. Beliefs and rational thinking are functions of your left brain and your "sanity" or capacity for consistent rationality depends on your sense of coherence, including the dominance by your beliefs and thinking of your primal urges and emotions. Merely changing your circumstances -- moving to a new house or having a partner -- will not change how your beliefs and reason function. But finding out what you most believe and how you think about life certainly will affect your choices of partner and where to live. You have an awful lot going for you including the ability to see those special advantages you have and to be grateful for them. You certainly are on the right track for soul-satisfying surprises! Laurna Quote:
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Couldnt make it
Laurna
Thank you for your post. Until I regain some of my prior sanity (yes I did have it once) I feel incapable of being in a relationship right now. Once I feel I am stable, there is a special someone that I would like to explore a future with. However, right now, it is tough enough getting through the day physically that I cannot even think about anything else. I do, however, have some tough decisions to make. I have come to realize that I am totally disatisfied in my position ( New England area of US). The job is financially rewarding but I grew up in NY and am isolated from all of my old friends. My older son (just had a baby) is in CA and I am seriously thinking about eventually relocating out there if I can get a job. However, my younger son is still in college on the east coast, so it may be a year or two before I "go for it". Time will tell. In the interim, I need to get physically stable so that I can pursue my inner self. |
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Re: Couldnt make it
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Couldnt make it
So on day 3 of Prozac, and symptoms are still there (tingling, tightness in head, depressed, cant sleep, etc) if no worse. Although the doctor told me symptoms would dissipate in a few days I am having my doubts. Today is day 19 off paxil and day 3 on prozac. Does anyone have any idea how long before the physical symptoms will stop?
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Bay Area, California
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Re: Couldnt make it
I forgot what dose you were on when you stopped the Paxil.
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Re: Couldnt make it
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1997 Prozac for three weeks, just because I was nervous during the university exams . No reason really. 1997 - terrible panic attacks - Paxil 20 mg for a few years. I stopped for two years and then panic attacks again. Again Paxil 20 mg. Stopped working after a few years swiched to cipralex. did not help so much. paxil 40 mg. tappered to 20 mg and then a month ago I tried to taper 5 mg- severe depression. Now I'm on 40 mg Paxil. very sad. now i take 10 mg paxil. feeling so and so. |
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Join Date: Aug 2010
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Re: Couldnt make it
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I was on 20mg of paxil, weaned to 10 for a few months, then to 5 for only a few weeks, then off for 16 days before I couldnt take it anymore and dr put me on prozac. He told me that the physical side effects of the withdrawal would go away in 24-48 hours, but I feel worse than ever on my 3rd day. |
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