Question about relaxation exercises

[dunbar]

I have to say that I have a low opinion of this stuff.
I know people who had psychological problems and spent months in clinics where they were medicated and did all kinds of "exercises" and they came out as bad as before the only difference was that now they were under control due to the drugs.

But since I am really tired of always being depressed and having low self-esteem and always thinking pessimistic and negative I thought maybe I could just give it a try.
But a lot of my depression and hopelessness is also caused by physical problems which are real and cannot simply be removed or cured. So that's also a huge difference between me and someone who has for example social phobia but other than that his life is okay and he is healthy. Such a person "only" needs to find a way to cure her psychological problems and then everything is fine again. But in my case it wouldn't be fine again because all my diseases would still be there.

Anyways, I listened to 2 different relaxation tapes and they were basically exactly the same. You always had to tense muscles and then relax them and then imagine a warm wave or something.
I really tried to follow the advice and tensed and relaxed but I neither felt a warm wave nor anything else.
I also didn't even feel tensed in the first place. I'm not tensed. I simply think scary or depression thoughts. But I really don't feel like I'm tensed or that relaxing muscle groups affects my thougths at all.

And then in the end of the exercise you were told to imagine walking through a beautiful environment and imagine that you're thinking positive thoughts and that you're happy and content and positive and this is basically everything which I am not and hearing this stuff actually dragged me down. It didn't make me feel better at all it only showed me that I am the exact opposite of what I am supposed to imagine and this really make me feel worse. How am I supposed to become positive and happy and have a high self-esteem when the reasons for being negative and unhappy and having a low self-esteem are non-psychological reasons but real physical problems which can't simply be solved and then everything's fine again?

I really don't know if I should keep listening to this tape when it basically only shows me how pathetic my life is. Of course I would like to be positive and healthy and vibrant and what else not but in order to be that I needed to be healthy again and have some hope and since the stuff I have can't be cured then how can I have hope again and be healthy?
I haven't been happy for years and I also don't seem myself being happy again at least not really happy because how can you be really happy when you have all kinds of depressing diseases?

I think the best which I could achieve would probably be less depressed and somehow find a way to defend myself better against depressive thought but I don't see how these relaxation exercises are supposed to help me.

How is being in a situation where you feel relaxed supposed to help you when you're out there in situations where you feel totally uncomfortable?
Most days where I am just out of the house I totally hate how I feel. My eyes burn and I get all kinds of symptoms and I simply feel sick and only want to get home again. How are these exercises supposed to help with this?

[intuitivegal]

Dunbar,

Have you ever heard of "The Law of Attraction"?

If you have a netflix account, you can watch the video. Since watching this video, I think differently now.

What is it exactly that you have that can't be cured(if you don't mind me asking)?

[dunbar]

I heard about this stuff. But to be honest I don't believe in this.
I have often expected something negative and it didn't happen for example.
Or what about starving children in Africa? Do they starve because they think about food all day?
I think that saying that everything which happens happens because of us thinking the wrong things seems very simplistic to me.
It also creates the problem with the hen and the egg. If somebody gets bullied and then becomes afraid then he doesn't get bullied because he is afraid he is afraid because he got bullied first. You know what I mean?
But these people would simply twist it around and say a person gets bullied cause she is afraid in the first place.

I have a lot of things. Floaters for example but also at least one genetical syndrome which I know of, maybe even more.
I also have many other aches and pains and doctors find nothing.

[intuitivegal]

The "Law of Attraction" isn't just about thinking, it is also about doing something about those thoughts.

It is like praying. It is asking for something and then seeking or working towards what it is that you want.

I also have floaters. I have read that they are a sign of toxic over load and the body's inability to remove the toxic elements. Toxicity can come from heavy metals, parasites and their waste, food sensitivities from gut leakage, etc. There are many foods that can help with the detoxification. AND, there are many foods that help these toxic substances flourish.

The relaxation protocol takes weeks to develop. And, the CBT protocol can take time to work especially for those that have spent a whole life time with low self-esteem and always thinking pessimistic and negative thoughts.

[texgirl]

Originally Posted by dunbar

I heard about this stuff. But to be honest I don't believe in this.

I'm a naturally skeptical person, but it seems to me that the law of attraction is working powerfully in your life, in spite of your not believing in it. You say repeatedly and adamantly that you're damaged and unable to do anything to help yourself recover, and that's pretty much exactly what you're manifesting.

[dunbar]

Originally Posted by intuitivegal

I also have floaters. I have read that they are a sign of toxic over load and the body's inability to remove the toxic elements. Toxicity can come from heavy metals, parasites and their waste, food sensitivities from gut leakage, etc. There are many foods that can help with the detoxification. AND, there are many foods that help these toxic substances flourish.

I don't think that detox cures floaters. If it does let me know.
There are many silly theories out there about floaters. Besides this how do they imagine toxins being removed from the eye? I am sure if there was something against floaters it would be known.

I'm a naturally skeptical person, but it seems to me that the law of attraction is working powerfully in your life, in spite of your not believing in it. You say repeatedly and adamantly that you're damaged and unable to do anything to help yourself recover, and that's pretty much exactly what you're manifesting.

I'm not buying that. This is like telling someone who only has 1 leg "see I told, you. You always say you can't run and that's exactly why you cannot run".
I am pessimistic because of my experiences. I tried to overcome depression and always failed.

[intuitivegal]

Originally Posted by dunbar

I don't think that detox cures floaters. If it does let me know.
There are many silly theories out there about floaters. Besides this how do they imagine toxins being removed from the eye? I am sure if there was something against floaters it would be known.

I encourage you to google "herbs for floaters in the eye" or "natural cure for floaters in the eye" or "foods that eliminate floaters" or "foods to avoid for eye floaters". Some of the sites you visit will try to sell you something. Look at the ingredients and see what you incorporate into your diet. There is a lot of information out there.

For my floaters, I personally eat seaweed (for the iodine), foods high in beta carotene, lutein, astaxanthin. I juice foods high in antioxidants. Foods that help with detox are chlorella, cilantro, miso, alfalfa sprouts. A good diet high in protein (both plant and animal), good fats (olive oil, avocado, fish oil, etc), and greens (beet, collards, spinach, kale, etc). My floaters have not totally disappeared but they have decreased.


Now, about the one legged man who could not run analogy. If this one legged man really wanted to run, he would figure out a way to do it. Many one-legged men and women run. As an example: http://www.canadacool.com/COOLFACTS/...yTerryFox.html


The mind is a powerful tool. We can accomplish anything, literally.

[dunbar]

Just tell me if you have personally removed floaters with this stuff. Yes or no?

[intuitivegal]

Yes, of course. This protocol has made a huge difference.

With the help of an alternative endocrinologist there has been much healing that has occurred. I've had thyroid problems, adrenal problems, stomach problems, digestive issues, extreme anxiety and depression, neurotransmitter imbalance. This is what happens to people that eat like crap and overtime, loose the ability to absorb nutrients coupled with the effects of compromised liver function and lowered immunity and blood circulation

[Songbird]

You are going around in a circle. You've already convinced yourself that you are hopeless case. What are these incurable physical diseases that are at the root of your depression?