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Old 04-17-2013, 01:59 AM   #1
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Happiness & lots of laughter during withdrawal

Hello everyone,

I'm new on this website. I'm a 23-yo law & economics student, and I've been on 20 mg of paxil since the start of July 2012.

My therapist had always felt like just therapy wouldn't cut it for me, and she wanted me to meet with a psychiatrist. But since these are very rare and often have infinite waiting lists, I just went to my GP after a few months of deliberating.

Anyway, the depression, constant sadness & panic attacks were starting to go away after about a month of being on paxil. I was feeling way calmer, wasn't worrying as much & just felt a bit more like myself.

Now, about 9 or 10 months later, I felt like I didn't need the meds anymore, neither did my therapist. My doctor, who is kind of an old fashioned guy, just told me that I could go from 20 to 10 from one day to another, and then from 10 to 5 after a few weeks, and from 5 to 0 after another few weeks.

Not knowing about the dangers of this, and the need of tapering down, I just did as he told. After about 3 days I started getting brain zaps, electric shocks throughout my body. I knew this wasn't normal, but it didn't really annoy me.

It's now been 2 weeks, and the brain zaps are happening more seldom, also the electric shocks / waves are lessening.

But the weirdest thing is, I feel even more happy. I laugh all the time, I feel even more relaxed, focus better on my duties, and don't need alcohol or ambien to go to bed without worries.
Is this normal? And is it just a fase or would it be possible that It jus stays this way ?

Now that I've read up on some things, the tapering down and so forth, I was wondering what I should do. I was thinking of staying on 10 mgs until the 16th of June (after exams), and then start tapering down so I could be off them by the end of August?

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Old 04-17-2013, 05:37 AM   #2
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Re: Happiness & lots of laughter during withdrawal

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Certainly stay on the 10mg until after your exams, then get back to us for some further tapering advice after June 16th. Don't adjust the dose before then until you hear back from us.
Good luck in your exams, stay as calm as you can and don't overdo the revision. If it went in the first time, it's still there.
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Old 04-17-2013, 05:48 AM   #3
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I think it's very sad that my doctor doesn't know the safe way to taper down. A friend of mine graduated as a pharmacist last year, and he keeps on telling me that all the stuff about paxil being dangerous and addictive is just a "conspiracy theory".

Weird thing is, I have the least stress during exams. Well at least visible stress. I often wake up with, not being able to move my neck because I am so extremely tense, and my jaws hurt like hell because I clench my jaws permanently during the night.

Anyway, it's certainly a bit comforting that there are other people out there who believe and know what you are going through. I have a lot of friends who are studying pharmacy or in med school, and who just don't believe that these meds have so much impact on you.

None of them believed me when I went through ambien-withdrawal (after my GP had told me they weren't addictive at all, and I could take them for the rest of my life).
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:47 AM   #4
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Man, that makes me sad that your friends who are pharmacist don't believe that these drugs can cause problems. I'd be interested in what they would say if you asked them "What would it take to convince you that there is a problem with these drugs?". In the past, problems with medications have always came about through patients reporting problems to their doctors, not from the pharmaceutical companies. The fact that these medications are for mental illness make it that much worse, because people just get labelled as crazy and paranoid rather than taken seriously.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:02 AM   #5
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I'll translate some actual texts I got in respect to my questions:

"These kinds of meds are clinically tested and I can tell you that it is nearly impossible to get something on the market without proving it is effective and not dangerous."

It seems as if pharmacy students are sponsored by the big companies.

Anyway, I'm still grateful to paxil for helping me, but the producers could be a bit more honest about the long term effects.

A friend who is specialising in neurology told me that the brain zaps & eletric shocks are probably due to my own imagination, influenced by the stories I read on the internet.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:34 AM   #6
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I'll translate some actual texts I got in respect to my questions:

"These kinds of meds are clinically tested and I can tell you that it is nearly impossible to get something on the market without proving it is effective and not dangerous."

It seems as if pharmacy students are sponsored by the big companies.

Anyway, I'm still grateful to paxil for helping me, but the producers could be a bit more honest about the long term effects.

A friend who is specialising in neurology told me that the brain zaps & eletric shocks are probably due to my own imagination, influenced by the stories I read on the internet.
Did you have the zaps before or after reading. I had withdrawal symptoms before I was told or read about them. I think most people do.

FYI: Big drug companies DO donate money to schools.

You can easily tell it is not "nearly impossible to get a drug on the market..." just by listening carefully to a commercial. One example: Drugs that treat skin conditions, have been found in clinical trials to cause cancer. The reality is insane.

I was grateful to the CVS pharmacy tech's when I would run out of meds and they would give me a few days worth without a prescription. They seemed to know I would need them and have withdrawal if I waited until my appt. to come back. Pharmacists will probably see patients like this less and less with all the mail order Rx filling for meds that are continued long term.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:44 AM   #7
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Had the withdrawal effects before reading about it. But I think people in medical school often think too fast that they know everything, and that most things they don't know are cause by imagination.

Forgot to take my meds for 3 days, the third day I almost couldn't get up, and fainted for a few seconds in the gym. Now I've stopped lifting in the gym for a while, because I'm afraid I'll faint again. I think my body will need all of its energy for the withdrawal.


Also, does anyone know what effects of alcohol are when you are taperin down?
When I was still on 20 mgs, when I would drink, I would be extremely open and social (seriously, the last year I've kissed & had sex with way too many girls. used to think that would be great, but it makes you feel even more empty than just being alone). But the day after would be hell. Feelings of emptiness, everything would feel hopeless and useless and dying seemed like the best thing in the world.
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Had the withdrawal effects before reading about it. But I think people in medical school often think too fast that they know everything, and that most things they don't know are cause by imagination.
That's what I figured! And often when it's "professionals", they have a way of making you believe them and question your own actual experience.


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Also, does anyone know what effects of alcohol are when you are taperin down?
When I was still on 20 mgs, when I would drink, I would be extremely open and social (seriously, the last year I've kissed & had sex with way too many girls. used to think that would be great, but it makes you feel even more empty than just being alone). But the day after would be hell. Feelings of emptiness, everything would feel hopeless and useless and dying seemed like the best thing in the world.
Alcohol alone can do this. However, if you do a search for "alcohol" on this site, you'll find a lot of people had to quit even drinking a glass of wine occasionally during withdrawal.
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It seems like they trust the pharmaceutical companies over what patients are saying. So if a patient says, "I'm getting zaps in my brain" and that isn't reported in the information about the drugs they just say it is impossible that the drug caused it and it must be your imagination. Too bad many of these symptoms are things that you can't really show another person. I guess we will need to wait until we have a better understanding of how the brain works in order to prove that these drugs cause serious harm in some people.
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:25 AM   #10
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That's what I figured! And often when it's "professionals", they have a way of making you believe them and question your own actual experience.




Alcohol alone can do this. However, if you do a search for "alcohol" on this site, you'll find a lot of people had to quit even drinking a glass of wine occasionally during withdrawal.
Good thing I don't really have time for drinking anymore. Two master's thesises & still a few exams. It's good to keep my mind busy and distracted, though.

Seriously, it's weird, but I feel so happy, haven't felt like this in years. I'd like to hug everyone in the streets.
Has anyone had this during withdrawal?
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:27 AM   #11
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Re: Happiness & lots of laughter during withdrawal

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"I think my body will need all of its energy for the withdrawal."
Sensible of you to hold off on the heavy lifting for a while, Stevie. Gentler exercise, like walking or yoga might be better.
Normal sexual feeling will come back eventually too.
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I'll translate some actual texts I got in respect to my questions:

"These kinds of meds are clinically tested and I can tell you that it is nearly impossible to get something on the market without proving it is effective and not dangerous."

It seems as if pharmacy students are sponsored by the big companies.
It's pretty easy to find sources citing the fact that many if not most psychiatric drugs were tested for a matter of weeks, minimum. I don't think anybody can realistically predict the long-term effects of a medication that was tested in clinical trials for 3-6 weeks. And GSK has been sued for suppressing trial data. This too is public knowledge and well documented.
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:36 AM   #13
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Normal sexual feeling will come back eventually too.
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I've noticed some serious changes in regard to this. It's great, I have the sexual appetite of a 15 year old with a hormone riddled brain.
I was really afraid my lack of sexual appetite would be permanent, but I'm getting good hopes!
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Old 04-17-2013, 02:30 PM   #14
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Stevebrule you have been on it less than a year.. Your withdrawal shouldn't be to bad.. Now that I look back I should of never been on such high doses.. I've been surviving under 15mg for 6 months despite being told by my psychiatrist under 20 mg paxil wouldn't work for me.. Go slow even at 10mg if done to quick it can hit you like a ton of bricks.. No one knows what these drugs really do to people..
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Old 04-20-2013, 05:47 AM   #15
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Yes, I think thanks to the fact I've only been on it for less than a year, and it was only 20 mgs, my withdrawal isn't even comparable to what other people are experiencing.

Anyway, the past few days I've been drinking a lot (last time going out until the end of exams), and I felt so very weird. So now it's just a complete alcohol withholding period (not even a glass of wine in the evening, going to miss that though, it's my biggest passion in the world).

But a weird thing has been happening. As I've told before, I've been laughing a lot, feeling quite happy and more extrovert. But every time I watch a romantic film, watch some kind of x-factor video clip or just something beautiful happens, I start instantly crying like a little girl. Not just a bit of tears in my eyes, real crying, the kind you do when the love of your life dumps you. ALthough it kind of feels good, since it makes me feel human, it's a bit weird as well.
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Hi Stevie--welcome to the group--

" (not even a glass of wine in the evening, going to miss that though, it's my biggest passion in the world)."

Very telling words, all SSRIs and Paxil inpraticular actually cause alcohol cravings, they also lower the resistance to drinking. I got caught is this trap big time. I am glad you are going to cut out the drinking, it will really help during your taper. Once off the paxil and recovered you should be able to go back to "social" drinking if the desire is still there. I know you haven't mentioned it, but just in case stay away from the weed too, it causes more trouble than good during WD.

Best of luck with exams and with your taper.
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Regarding your pharmacist friend and neurology friend: the crux of the situation with regards to withdrawal and their knowledge is...ignorance, plain and simple. I dont mean to put them down or be rude, however, the reality is that they know...what they know...what they learned in school, period. Withdrawal is not a subject extensively covered in their formal education nor is it something extensively studied in long term studies. BUT, there are people (MDs, lawyers, nutritionists, laymen, us, etc) who have dedicated their time and energy to educating themselves and others on this subject. Moreover, there is plenty of evidence in general, if one looks, that clearly shows that many people do suffer, some very seriously, from withdrawal syndrome caused by coming off these drugs. Case closed.

One of the major problems I see, and to be honest annoys the **** out of me, when someone lays out a different view point is the "conspiracy" crap. I cant stand it. They, presumably being closed minded or brainwashed, dismiss our claims of problems that we believe are associated with the drugs because it is the "conspiracy theorists" who make these things up.
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Hi Stevie--welcome to the group--

" (not even a glass of wine in the evening, going to miss that though, it's my biggest passion in the world)."

Very telling words, all SSRIs and Paxil inpraticular actually cause alcohol cravings, they also lower the resistance to drinking. I got caught is this trap big time. I am glad you are going to cut out the drinking, it will really help during your taper. Once off the paxil and recovered you should be able to go back to "social" drinking if the desire is still there. I know you haven't mentioned it, but just in case stay away from the weed too, it causes more trouble than good during WD.

Best of luck with exams and with your taper.
Weed has never been my thing, it makes me too much of a paranoid zombie.

Well, the alcohol cravings have always been there. It may sound sad, but most of the things that happen at university are accompanied with alcohol. But a good thing is that I have a lot of self control. I know when I should cut out alcohol. But yeah, the combination with SSRIs isn't a good one.

Anyway, thanks for the support Hope you guys are going to get through it! I'm pretty sure I will. I'll be spending a lot of time on this forum, just reading everyone's experiences, and hopefully will learn a lot from you guys.
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Hello everyone,

My therapist had always felt like just therapy wouldn't cut it for me, and she wanted me to meet with a psychiatrist. But since these are very rare and often have infinite waiting lists, I just went to my GP after a few months of deliberating.
When your therapist says this-it's time to fire your therapist and find a new one! One that actually believes they can help you .

I'm curious what you went to the therapist for/went on the meds for?

Back to your question about being happy. Many of these meds, dampen/flatline the emotions. A lot of people can't really "feel" joy or cry on them. When you taper off they sometimes come rushing back very strongly. Also I would taper from where you are, just to be safe, I mean some people stop these meds no problem, but it doesn't hurt anything to go slow.
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I'm curious what you went to the therapist for/went on the meds for?
When I was about 16 or 17, I started feeling bad all the time. I never really understood why, because there is actually not a single reason outside myself which could be the cause for this.
It started with just feeling a bit under the weather, not feeling like doing anything, not being able to handle anything, the future seemed so black.

And well, this started getting worse when I fell in love really badly. I was together with this girl, but it made me even more unhappy than I had ever felt before. Every waking moment (and well, almost every moment was a waking moment, since I only could get 3 hours of sleep or so) felt like I was in actual hell. My attacks of extreme "feeling bad", would often cause me to just start hitting a wall with my fist, hoping the pain on my hand would distract my brain from the other stuff.

Well, anyway, this went on for a year of 6, and a few relationships further, to finally tell my parents what was happening to me, and they really wanted me to see a therapist.
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...ahhhh I see . I just get mad when the therapists throw meds at people. I know many are trying to help people to feel better/get better and using the tools they know (which are meds). I just wish they would use their other tools more (the actual therapy).
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...ahhhh I see . I just get mad when the therapists throw meds at people. I know many are trying to help people to feel better/get better and using the tools they know (which are meds). I just wish they would use their other tools more (the actual therapy).
Yeah, I think the same thing as well. But this therapist (well, actually she's now my ex-therapist), really wanted the best for me. But I think she even worried too much and got a bit emotionally attached, which is why I went to another therapist. I also liked her too much, so we got more and more on a friendly basis than a therapist/patient relationship.

And my doctor, I cannot really blame, since I was the one who started talking to him about meds. But yeah, people who don't have actual experience with the meds themselves really shouldn't be prescribing them.
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So the last few days have been very heavy on me. Especially with the good weather starting, while I have to stay inside and work on my thesis.

Having a lot of moodswings, but the last 5 days the swings are more towards the negative side. Haven't been laughing a lot these last days, future looks very dark, nothing good ahead. I feel so extremely empty inside.

I've got that feeling again like I cannot cut it anymore, life in general.

It's not making me want to get on my full dosage of paxil again, because I want to get rid of that stuff so badly. Cut down to 5 mg and don't really have more side-effects or withdrawal symptoms.
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