a simple TBM trick for yourself!!

[MizzT]

Hello everyone!
Here is a little "trick"....or technique that can help keep us all on the path towards positive reinforcement that we all need to help us thru this.

As i understand....one of our biggest problems is simple "negative life beliefs" that give us poor self esteem. To boost self esteem and whole body function.....
Make a fist with your left hand. look at the "outside of the fist" on the pinkie side.....where the crease in your hand comes out to the edge.

OK....flip the fist so the back of your hand is towards your body. Now Tap with two fingers of your right hand on the side of the fist where the crease is and while you tap....repeat three times.....I deeply accept myself even tho i am miserable.

or: I deeply accept myself even tho i am struggling to get off paxil.

Or: i deeplyn accept myself even tho i am over weight.

Put in your mantra and tap and say it 3 times. This is a reset switch in the brain to modify the negative life belief!!!

Happy tapping!!

Beverly

[Scott]

at what point do I add the chicken feet and witch hazel to the cooking brew?


just kidding, im still trying to figure out exactly where to tap, yes im obsessive like that

[dar7726]

Ever heard of it. You can find it on WWW.Mercola.com

Is it similar?


Darlene

[MizzT]

YES!!!!!!
EFT!!!!!
Emotional Field Therapy!!!!!
its all part of the same research. And darlene it WORKS!!!!!!
i want to go to the top of wheeler peak and scream to all of you.
IT WORKS!!!!!

No....beverly is not out of the woods yet. but my emotional issues have been tackled. I am absolutely 100% convinced this stuff works.
We are so willing to pop a pill...so willing to spill our guts out on the table to a shrink that at the end of the day.....do they really care??
do the words and tears really matter???

its a waste of time and money in my opinion.....once you understand your issues and know your goal. You cant do TBM or EFT or NMT if you dont have intention. if you dont know where you are trying to go.
you cant say...i deeply accept myself....too many times before you start to believe it. and somehow that point on your hand makes it stick in your brain.

the chinese have been doing this stuff for 5000 years. paxil has been around for 20. If you give the paxil a try.....why not try the therapy??

[darcyb]

There's a program called Emotional Freedom Techniques and although I haven't read the whole thing, what I've read so far is very interesting and potentially useful. It talks about accepting challenges first so that you can work with them. You can have a look at it and let me know what you think :

Emotional_Freedom_Techniques.pdf (667 Kb)
(right click and choose "save target as" and then open the file in Adobe Reader. )

I don't even remember how I got that docutment, but I've had it since May 2002.

[MizzT]

Darcy
I think that is exactly the same thing.
I will get onto reading the pdf.

I stumbled onto this as a total fluke. I was desperate. the holiday season was totally miserable. My right hand was numb, my arm useless. I got turned onto a chiropractor by a chiro i love but is 100 miles away. I went to the new guy who made some simple suggestions that helped immediately (the magnesium and the neck adjustment for hypothalumus and an adrenal tonic) That helped shift things quickly and got the arm back in 2 weeks. Then he suggested the TBM. I said, "what the hell"
what's it gonna do....get worse???

and it made the emotional stuff clear immediately. it was really profound.

then the junipers started blooming and the allergies set in. the Doc mentioned that he could "fix that". so my husband tried it first. worked like a charm. just no more allergies at all. *he now laughs and says....you get used to not having allergies pretty fast! and its pretty nice!*

[Dream]

So out of curiousity...

I know that a lot of the time that people go to ciropractors to fix something, they need to keep going back or the problem either returns or gets worse. Is this the case with TMB in your experience? Do the problems that you're working on tend to comeback without regular appointments?

sorry, I'm sceptical about ciropratics. My family seems to think they can work miracles, but I just keep seeing them go back for the same problems.

Hugs,
Andi

My niece went into a cashcow profession with regular customers when she chose to be a "back craker" . She does believe that she is helping people though.

[MizzT]

Hi Andi
The TBM is a totally different technique than just chiropractics. Its specialized training. The web sites i have posted also give a list of drs who practice TBM, or NMT, or EFT.

I have had spectacular results with the chiros i have gone to over many years. my neck is damaged from my EX. i have 2 bones that are in such weird places that regular drs look at my xrays and are horrified. But my chiro keeps it all cool....and i have no problems with my neck really.

But this new therapy is a combination of chiropractics and also accupressure, applied kinesiology *which is SO COOL*, and western psychology. Somehow the combination makes a connection that resolves problems.

If i were to start with a new chiropractor as a new experience.....i would absolutely make sure they also have training in one of these areas. Its just an extra volume of knowledge under the belt.

Please take time to read the introduction on that PDF that Darcy posted.
It is EXACTLY what i am talking about.

totally profound.

Beverly

[MizzT]

Darcy!!!!!

Im just bursting here!!! that PDF is absolutely 100% what i am talkin' about!! The introduction gives some wonderful annecdotes describing the techniques working at their very best.

the first chapter introduces the developer of the group of techniques. Roger Callahan. He writes the forward in the book i listed Freedom From Fear Forever backing the author, Durlacher's further developement of the techniques as "Accupower". And again....it keeps getting refined and further developed into EFT.
TBM seems to do more physical ailments and its refined techniques is now called NMT neuromodulation techniques.

The intro alone should give one incentive to try it. It is absolutely wild how it "neutralizes" problems. My mom and i could NEVER talk to each other without fighting. 20 minutes of accupower (what my chiro calls it) and it was gone. I mean i still know mom is a PITA but it does not bother me.
*giggling*
my Ex.....just dont bother me anymore.

years of therapy and really no sign of relief. 1 session of this and *PooF*

i personally believe this is incredibly important information to put forward.
I go for NMT next week to resolve a fibro myalgia type symptom. when it works....i will report back.

your humble guinea pig
Beverly

[MizzT]

Andi

i didnt completely answer you. Yes and No. Most often these alternative treatments work in one shot. and you never have to re-do it.
I have had to be retreated for Elm pollen.....but not for juniper, or dust mites. the emotional treatments have worked for me on one shot.

[Scott]

man its hard to have faith when you've been burned so many times

Scott27-

Your not alone on that feeling, I feel the same way! but remember, you are not alone. And his promise is deliverence. keep the faith and you will get better.

I think I just had to write that to myself! the GAD is hitting hard on this 29th day off paxil/zoloft and I can't function its so bad. So I started taking ativan but now all I want to do is cry and sleep, I think I may loose my job or have to get disability for awhile. I've never had to do this, but the alternative is to get back on a ssri???

My prayers go out to all and even to myself, to stay stong, come here to vent to a friend who knows, and hopefully get over this pain.

[Scott]

i just have to confirm that in no way was i saying my spiritual faith is hurting, by no means at all, it's hard for me to have faith in what someone of this world tells me will help me such as these kinds of treatments, or any for that matter. ok i'll shut up now

scott -
Sorry if I misunderstood, I guess its the withdrawal thinking in me. How long have you been off these drugs? I see the doctor in an hour and am leary he will try some other on me because I am having a hard time with anxiety.

does anyone know is this is true:
the brain is producing seretonine and is looking for that drug to break it down and when its not there, the body goes into a flight and fight response?

It sounds logical, my counsel said this to me and I am just wondering how much longer my body can withstand these fight/flight responses of anxiety before it breaks down completely? Can that really happen? And has anyone else experienced this? how long does it last for?

Thanks for listening.

[Scott]

[hypocrite] no, the fight or flight response is a normal process that is harmless, we simply fear it. [/hypocrite]

At least you made me giggle today scott!!!!

Thanks

[MizzT]

Im sitting in the same boat with both of you, Scott and Jan.
Ive been burned too. Ive been thru 3 different doctors, 2 shrinks, 2 massage therapists, 2 accupuncturists, 3 chiropractors. We've spent countless dollars past insurance searching. ive got bottles of supplements i wll never take.

I totally understand.

Please....if you do anything harmless for yourself TODAY....if you do anything HELPFUL for yourself today.....PLEASE read the PDF file above.
I beg you just to read it.
if you do not get help.....we are no worse off....right?
but if you do....and in the long run you also find that this stuff has potential......then you too can help spread the info.

Just read it. it explains WHY we are so opposed to understand new theories. REMEMBER.....the world was once FLAT.

just read it.

I care deeply about all who are suffering like this. I do not HAVE to work a full time job. I have time to vollunteer and my husband and i both agree. that when this therapy gets me strongs enough.....it will be my (our) life mission to continue to spread the word. I am looking into taking the seminars here in June. i want to learn how to be the practitioner. I WANt the reward of actually helping people. that is how i live and who i am.

I wish to heal myself.....so that i can heal others.

[MizzT]

so there is a flood.....and the waters rising. and a guy on his porch praying as the water rises. And a boat comes along and they say GET IN!!!! and the guy says....no...Im praying....and God will answer my prayers and save me. God delivers.

the boat goes away. the river rises. he is now on his roof....praying to God to save him....and a helicopter comes by and they say.....GET IN we will save you. and he says....No....im praying...and God will answer my prayers and save me.

the helicopter leaves. The waters come and wash him away. finally up in heaven....God calls him into his office.....And the guy asks....but God...i prayed....i was devout. why didnt you save me???

God says.....I sent you a boat and a helicopter. what more do you want?


Please check out this boat. it has a 98% success rate. READ the boat PDF.
READ the helicopter PDF

Beverly is trying to send you a boat and a helicopter as it was sent to me.

[darcyb]

Originally Posted by jan

does anyone know is this is true:
the brain is producing seretonine and is looking for that drug to break it down and when its not there, the body goes into a flight and fight response?

I believe it's adrenaline that gets produced during fight/flight responses and it's a very primitive response from the core of the brain where there isn't as much conscious reasoning. The fight/flight response is not purely a chemical response as you say, although the body does communicate chemically as well as electricaly. Instinct and environmental pressure can trigger the response. The challenge I think you're hinting at is what to do with the adrenaline after it's been dumped into the body after the response! That requires physical movement since that's what the whole thing is for anyway. If you fight, you move physically. If you flee, you are also moving physically. So the response deals with the response you could say. Very brilliant stuff, highly fine tuned after millions of years of conditioning hehe.

It sounds logical, my counsel said this to me and I am just wondering how much longer my body can withstand these fight/flight responses of anxiety before it breaks down completely? Can that really happen? And has anyone else experienced this? how long does it last for?

You can probably go into forms of post trauma from repeated tiggering of that system. Someone who was in enough wars or has received enough sexual abuse can relate to this 'numbing/desensitization' effect very clearly. I don't know what the breaking point is absolutely, but relatively it would depend on physiology and propensity towards mental disassociation I think. Numerous breakdowns have occured to people throughout history, and that may have roots in continuous exposure to adrenaline pumping.

Panic attacks in their most intense forms on average only last 10 minutes. It may take longer for the calming down period but the firing and alarm firing stuff is most intense in that time period. Of course, there have been longer panic attack marathons, and I am one fortunate (*cough cough sarcasm cough*) recipient of those.

I had several years of really intense anxiety. Man, I would sit there on the couch spending my days waiting for the wave after wave of constant panic attacks, over and over and over, to end. On some days I could hardly notice when one would stop and the next would begin because I had so much anticipatory anxiety in between. My fight or flight system ran around the clock. The result is that I hardly ate (stopped completely at one point and got all the wonderful starvation hallucinations), became a stick thin zombie looking thing, and didn't feel anything but that core sickly feeling of extreme warnings/danger/death/anxiety/whatever. I couldn't leave the apartment, couldn't eat much, couldn't feel much, so I just sat there...trying not to BE anything at all.

It's now been about 5 years since those days and I can tell you that I feel great! It's amazing how much the body/mind can restore itself in such a short period of time. I thought it would take 20 years really. 5 years recover for a couple years of hell sounds good to me!

So in the end, I can tell you that you can endure TONS of anxiety without breaking down. You'll exhaust yourself and it may take a long time to recover, but recover you will. You won't return to who you were before the experience, as any event will and does change you. Nobody can return to who they were after any moment of time. You're always changing. The quantum particles in your physical reality are blilpping in and out of existence bazillions of times per second, never occupying exactly the same space in exactly the same level of energy than they were a picosecond ago. Heck, you don't even walk across the room, you dematerialize and rematerialize bazillions of times per second each micrometer of the way. (bazillions meaning a very high number although I don't know how high) You're physical reality are frames of animation and your eyes/brain too slow to see it happening. That's how movies work!

Having read countless posts from people who recovered from all kinds of mind bursting challenges, countless panic attacks and Paxil withdrawal adventures, you can be extremely well and healthy again after years of swimming through all that yummy crud.

[darcyb]

Originally Posted by defonz3

Please....if you do anything harmless for yourself TODAY....if you do anything HELPFUL for yourself today.....PLEASE read the PDF file above.
I beg you just to read it.

What I read of it was really good. And the Withdrawal Guide I wrote is equally poignant. There's plenty of perspective shifting stuff in both of them.

You guys like my posts, well that guide is a 72 page post!

[Scott]

Originally Posted by defonz3

Just read it. it explains WHY we are so opposed to understand new theories. REMEMBER.....the world was once FLAT.

wait a minute, are you telling me the world isn't flat? what's next, santa claus not being real?

So Darcy,

from your experiences, do you think this fight / flight is part of withdrawal(day 30) or do you think its mental?

I ask this because a couple of doctors have said to me that its mental and not withdrawal and I seriously believe that this is a reaction my body is going through from having all these synthetic drugs in them for the last 5 years.

I have been exercising, trying to eat right (not hungry all the time), I deep breathe exercise, visualize, pray and that feeling of terror is constant 24 hour feeling. I fight it but think I will eventually burn out.

Your words are wise and appreciated.
Thanks

[Scott]

you know how you feel, you know it is withdrawal.. doctors that have taken these drugs themselves have then come to realize we arent delusional.. withdrawal exists

[dar7726]

I can absoluely tell you that mine is the drug.

I've been off zoloft for 3 weeks and now I'm having headaches and my heart is beating faster sometimes during the day and I feel the agitation and panic feelings.

I'm not thinking anything that would cause this and I know 100% that it is the drug. The way I am managing is to take L tryptophan and B6 especially at nite for sleep. It calms me and allows great sleep and I'm ready for the next day. I can get through most of the day without this feeling.

Anyway I figure time and determination should do the trick. I'm stronger than this damn stuff (forgive my French) and now know that it is not going to trick me into thinking that it is me any longer.

Best of luck to you,
Darlene

[Dream]

I started reading Finding Serenity in the Age of Anxiety by Robert Gerzon. Mr Gerzon is a psycotherapist. Anyway, the book begins by breaking Anxiety down into three different type:

Natural Anxiety the realistic fears that protect us and and anxiety-excitment that accompanies a time for personal growth (this is the area the fight or flight fit into). This type of anxiety goes away once we recognize what the problem is and deal with it.

Sacred Anxiety The concerns about life/death, life after death, and the purpose of life.

Toxic Anxiety The worry, self-doubt, panic and feeling of hopelessness that comes from ignoring the first too anxieties for too long. (This anxiety can be delt with only when you are brave enough to find the source of the original problem. The difficulty here, of course, is by the time that the anxiety become toxic It has mutated into something that no longer looks like the original problem.


My point is, that you are going through a time of great personal growth, and fight-or-flight is a natural part of that. Don't try to push it away or suppress it because then the problem will become more then it currently is. recognize it, except it, and work your way through your challenges and fears this is the best way to deal with way you're going through.

do you think this fight / flight is part of withdrawal(day 30) or do you think its mental?

If fight-or-flight mental or withdrawal? who knows, maybe it's just the natural fear of being drug free for the first time in how long... maybe it's the withdrawal telling you it's time to deal with the original problems... I think however, that it's more then likely a mental problem that is brought on by the withdrawal. I guess that my answer in that case to your question wouldbe YES!!!!

Please realize however your body is also going through a lot of stress. It hasn't been in control for 5 years. Now all of a sudden it's given free control again and it's somewhat confused about what's going on. Stress because it is a form of anxiety that is brought on by external factors (i.e. removing the drug from your system) can feel a lot like fight-of flight. Keep up what you are doing (the exercize ect.), but throw in there a couple minutes every now and then of just letting yourself freak out!!! It's OK to go into a room, close the door and just start screaming when you have the time. You're stressed, let yourself be stressed.

hope this helps!!!

hugs,
Andi