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Join Date: Nov 2003
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a little bewildered
I don't know if I should post this but I just had this really strange experience with a counselor. This is the person I'd gone to for years when I had the postpartum depression. I've seen her off and on over the years. To make it short, I went to see her yesterday and gradually (after about 45 minutes) it seemed she was becoming angry with me. I told her what I'd been through with the paxil, the antibiotic, the docs, etc.. She asked me what I wanted from the session and I told her I wanted some tools for working through this, ways to think positive, to relax, to handle the funky things my body was doing. She started giving me suggestions and stuff. One was EMDR, then she mentioned some books. I must have said something to her that made her mad but she started to become kind of upset with me and said i was backing her into a corner and she wasn't going to give me any referrals for EMDR. Her voice became scolding and she was shaking her finger at me. I was already kind of tearful because I was letting out a lot of junk about what I've been through and then she just started cutting into me. She kept saying our time was up and I was getting the copay and then she started telling me more stuff, and then I'd answer her and she'd cut me off and tell me she had to go, the same thing a couple more times until she stood by the door looking furious at me. By now I was pretty upset, crying and she just kept on going. She said I could fire her if I wanted and I asked her if that's what she wanted because the thought had never ever crossed my mind. She said a lot of other stuff that was just shocking to me - I was totally unprepared. She asked me if I heard anything she said and I said yes, she said what? I told her she had given me the names of some authors but I couldn't remember the name of the 1st one and I would need her to write it down. And then I named the second one and she started grilling me on who he was. I said I thought he was a cognitive behaviorist. Anyway she shook her head at me and stood by the door and waited for me to leave. Never wrote down the names of the authors and I didn't dare ask. I walked out and I was hysterical. I got in my car and my friend happened to call me and I was hysterical on the phone. I called my husband and he said, "Did you pay her? Damn!" I went home and was just so out of it I couldn't shake it. My husband is out of town but I talked to my good friend who called me a couple of times to make sure I was ok. I don't know what the heck happened. I woke up this morning and was still a little shaken up. My neighbor called last night to invite me out to dinner and I was still upset and she talked to me for a while. She said she thought this whole Paxil thing has all these health providers on the defensive. I don't know what I said. I don't know. I've had this happen with doctors, especially when I was having the problems with the zithromax, having them scold me. I know a lot of us have had our run-ins with health care professionals but I never expected this. Sorry to be so negative. I've been working on trying to be more positive. I am just still a little bewildered from this.
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Hope. "I never cared much for flim flam doctors." (Doctor Baker, Little House on the Prairie). Put on Paxil in 1996 for Post-partum depression. After 5th withdrawal attempt, went into severe debilitating withdrawal, restarted Paxil in the ER which didn't work anymore. Taken off again quickly by a shrink, started on Lexapro. Body rejected all drugs except benzos. Currently off all drugs. I'd say I'm recovered. Yeah, I'd say so.
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Join Date: May 2004
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Wow Hope. I don't know what her deal was. Makes no sense to me, and definately wasn't professional. I can only imagine how you feel. She owes you an apology and an explanation in my opinion. Take care!
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Join Date: Aug 2002
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Hope, If I were in your shoes I would call her and set up a meeting with the cousellor. She needs to apologize to you and give you closure to what happened in her office that day. Her conduct was not warranted under any circumstance. Maybe she was having a bad day, but that doesn't give her the right to disrespect you in anyway.
If she doesn't offer an apology or agree to meet with you, then I'd seek out her supervisor and discuss what happened with him/her. I don't take crap from anybody and I sure as hell wouldn't take it from someone I am paying to help me. |
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Hi Hope:
I agree she owes you an apology but i wouldnt hold out for one. Its rare that someone in her position as a "doctor" will lower herself to actually say she is wrong. I think your neighbor is right tho....the docs are all on the defensive. I had both my regular GP and my shrink pretty much turn on me. when i finally got some help with the TBM/EFT/NMT i had an opportunity to speak with my shrink after not seeing her for months. She was pretty much ice cold to me and did not want to hear ANYTHING about what i did to help myself. She does EMDR and it was quite helpful for somethings. If you are ever intersted in her name let me know. I liked her but didnt like that she did not believe the paxil had made me so sick. I think i gave you my phone # too....if you EVER need someone to talk to, please call me. or heck...i can take the drive down and we can get together....or in SF. we could meet half way. Im pretty sick of people trying to impose that their way to heal you is the only way and that if you arent healing its certainly not that THEIR methods are not working....its some flaw in you. and its certainly not the precious meds! be well hope. you are doing really well....its just a long slog. xoxox |
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Join Date: May 2004
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Usually when someone is defensive like that, they are guilty, in denial or afraid. Maybe she is afraid of being sued. Who knows. Whatever the reason, she is not authentic and will not be able to really help you. Her entire body language says she has nothing to offer you. Maybe it's best if you just move on and pick up the pieces with another counselor. When you are strong enough you can let her know what she did to you.
Take care hope.
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Lisa - Paxil free since May 2004 _________________________________ God's economy is always positive. |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Maine
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She needs counciling....thats what.
Too bad you you have to be counciled by someone who's more screwed up than you are. But I think it's quite common. I've seen some that are friggin fruit cakes.
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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My friend works in insurance and says that over 60% of shrinks, etc that receive insurance through her company are on medication for depression or related problems. In no way am I defending her but she may be having a "break" herself. Perhaps she has been served with a lawsuit or some other stressful event. I had a male psychologist molest me by grabbing my private area and that was a very hard thing to reconcile, but I was able to overcome it.
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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guys
Some of you guys have just made me laugh. I was just too shocked and devastated to be angry but now that my mind has cleared I see all of you are right. This Paxil thing has everyone on the defensive. I've gotten cold attitudes and such from quite a few of the docs. My original primary care doc told me to find another doctor (he wrote tons of paxil prescriptions for me). But that's ok. I'm doing better now.
I went to see my herb lady today and I told her what happened. She had me write down all the symptoms I've had this past year and rate them. Then she had me write down the symptoms I have now and rate them. There was a pretty big gap in the list. I have made much more progress than I realized. She also told me to start journaling every day and to work on taking care of me. She had me look at why I was put on paxil in the first place, asked me how I've gotten this far, and had me doing a lot of looking inward. One thing she said too was that I don't have an emotional crutch anymore (the paxil), I have all the emotions and nothing to numb them. But that's ok, even though I have some emotions that are hard to handle, I have a lot of good ones too, love, laughter, the nightime one . Also took a nap at my friend's house. She lives in the mountains and it's so nice up there. Sometimes you think you're the only one feeling this, but I see others have gotten the same reaction from docs. Thanks you guys for all your input and experiences and kind words. I liked the riled up ones. I guess that's why were' all here, we're fighters. Grrr....
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Hope. "I never cared much for flim flam doctors." (Doctor Baker, Little House on the Prairie). Put on Paxil in 1996 for Post-partum depression. After 5th withdrawal attempt, went into severe debilitating withdrawal, restarted Paxil in the ER which didn't work anymore. Taken off again quickly by a shrink, started on Lexapro. Body rejected all drugs except benzos. Currently off all drugs. I'd say I'm recovered. Yeah, I'd say so.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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she needs to apologize to you Hope..that was VERY RUDE of her..you need to call her and have a chit chat....that just pisses me off...
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Hope. "I never cared much for flim flam doctors." (Doctor Baker, Little House on the Prairie). Put on Paxil in 1996 for Post-partum depression. After 5th withdrawal attempt, went into severe debilitating withdrawal, restarted Paxil in the ER which didn't work anymore. Taken off again quickly by a shrink, started on Lexapro. Body rejected all drugs except benzos. Currently off all drugs. I'd say I'm recovered. Yeah, I'd say so.
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fruitcakes
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Hope. "I never cared much for flim flam doctors." (Doctor Baker, Little House on the Prairie). Put on Paxil in 1996 for Post-partum depression. After 5th withdrawal attempt, went into severe debilitating withdrawal, restarted Paxil in the ER which didn't work anymore. Taken off again quickly by a shrink, started on Lexapro. Body rejected all drugs except benzos. Currently off all drugs. I'd say I'm recovered. Yeah, I'd say so.
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we went home and read the side effects. anxiety, psychosis, hallucinations. stuff like that. so i did not eat those. 3 days later...hand still numb...i go see her and she YELLED AT ME and said there was nothing she could do if i refused to eat the pills she gave me. and she refused to refer me to a neurologist. *crap...now im going to cry* but she treated me like a ****ing child. she took no responsibility for causing the parathesia. I was in such incredible pain for 6 weeks after that needle. ive never known such pain and that ***** took no responsibility for it and actually tried to make me feel like it was my fault. and i healed myself from that with no drugs and only a practitioner guide to help me thru the steps to release the damage they had done. we spent almost a thousand dollars on neurologist, xrays, etc etc etc and nothing. and one gentle kind chiro with some energy knowledge got me thru the worst of it in a week. im just about at the 1 year point with this segment of the journey and ive been a little angry about it lately. no doctor should be allowed to CAUSE so much pain and take no responsibility and blame it on the patient. |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Maine
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I know it's kinda funny......but
My ex-wife used to have my kids in counciling constantly.........now that I have custody......the state says they don't need counciling......and they are right.......no troubles at school at ALL this year.....not one report. Some of the psycologists that they saw were SO far out from reality.......not even close to being down to earth. I can't imagine paying someone like that to try to influence your thoughts. That's bad.
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Join Date: May 2004
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hope
sounds like SHE'S THE ONE withdrawing from a drug.... i mean talk about irrational behavior... maybe she is.... i mean anxiety and depression are not prejudice .. who know when we're sitting there chatting it up if they're having the same thing as us... there is no excuse for it.... she owes an apology ... but don't be surprised if you don;t get one.. she is very unprofessional
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Bev
I remember when that happened to you Bev. You had just come to the board. Just amazing. The same thing happened when I went through paxil withdrawal, when I took that damned zithromax, they stand back and say, "Wasn't us, its YOU!" Bev, I don't know if you have the energy but I'd go after that woman who stuck you with a needle. I was told by a friend that the Attorney General's office helps people with legal stuff. I may look them up. Just amazing. I had a doctor tell me to take neurontin too. I acutally took it for a couple of days and I couldn't even friekin walk.
My mom kept going to the doctor and they told her she had the flu. Finally we took her to the ER and she had a rare autoimmune disease and she died within a month. I was so angry. I am angry. Hell I'm friekin pissed!!!! Shoot Bev, that is bad. Rock singer, I'm glad you're kids are doing good. I took my son to get checked out a year ago and they wanted to put him on ADD medicine. I had them to the actual tests for ADD and he didn't have ADD. He just hated school, plus he was sneaking out of the house at night and that's why he was falling asleep at school. Grrr..... Feels good! LOL
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Hope. "I never cared much for flim flam doctors." (Doctor Baker, Little House on the Prairie). Put on Paxil in 1996 for Post-partum depression. After 5th withdrawal attempt, went into severe debilitating withdrawal, restarted Paxil in the ER which didn't work anymore. Taken off again quickly by a shrink, started on Lexapro. Body rejected all drugs except benzos. Currently off all drugs. I'd say I'm recovered. Yeah, I'd say so.
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Wow Hope, just found this thread. Her behaviour was totally disgusting, and this person was suppose to help you?? I to believe that the docs are getting defensive about this stuff. However, there is no excuse for this behaviour. If it were me I would put in writing what happened and register it to her supervisor. This person not only owes you an apology, but your money back from all your other sessions, as it is obvious she is not capable of providing the treatment you went there for in the first place.
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Hope. "I never cared much for flim flam doctors." (Doctor Baker, Little House on the Prairie). Put on Paxil in 1996 for Post-partum depression. After 5th withdrawal attempt, went into severe debilitating withdrawal, restarted Paxil in the ER which didn't work anymore. Taken off again quickly by a shrink, started on Lexapro. Body rejected all drugs except benzos. Currently off all drugs. I'd say I'm recovered. Yeah, I'd say so.
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All joking aside, that IS exactly what I would do.
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My opinion is that all therapists, psyches shrinks etc are bloody nuts.
I refuse to go to ANY - the first one I went to was a lesbian and I didnt' give a ****e about that as I am bi - but on my third session she said if she wasn't my therapist she would love to be involved with me and that I was quite possibly the most vivacious and stunning girl she had met (ha this was the point i KNEW she was nuts heh). The second one was south african and kept resorting to his native language withour realising it and then starting making weird noises like a monkey whilst staring out the window. It took all my power to not crack up laughing - three days later he came into my travel agency and in front of my staff whipped out his diary and said - so when is your next nutso appointment then?? I never went back and look back at these two experiences and crack up - what a bunch of friggin cakes! I did some psych papers at uni and every other person int eh class who was studying to be a psych had either been abused, neglected or wanted to kill their ex boyfriend with a butchers knife. I think I will stick to talking to my cat - best shrink I ever had!! Haaaa
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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shrink stories
I have some stories too. When I had the post partum depression was when I originally i went looking for a counselor (first time). The first lady kept saying the same things over and over in each session (which I found is quite common), the second had pictures of herself naked and pregnant in her office, another told me to have an abortion, finally I found this one which was good for quite a while. Actually I hadn't seen her for quite some time but she had always been nice. She brought up some traumatic things that had happened in her life while she was scolding me and shaking her finger at me. Man, I can't believe I've been through all this. I have a couple of good friends who are great listeners and make all the difference in the world. I am hoping all my symptoms thus far can stay manageable and I don't get tempted to go see someone.
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Hope. "I never cared much for flim flam doctors." (Doctor Baker, Little House on the Prairie). Put on Paxil in 1996 for Post-partum depression. After 5th withdrawal attempt, went into severe debilitating withdrawal, restarted Paxil in the ER which didn't work anymore. Taken off again quickly by a shrink, started on Lexapro. Body rejected all drugs except benzos. Currently off all drugs. I'd say I'm recovered. Yeah, I'd say so.
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