lecithin granules

ChuckCR25 · 02-18-2005, 04:05 PM

Has anyone tried taking lecithin granules. Im not even sure what it does but someone mentioned it to me

rdjanis · 02-18-2005, 04:20 PM

I take lecithin every day, my cholesterol was high, my dad swears by it, tried it, next exam everything ok. So I know it is good for this, helps with digestion etc.

MizzT · 02-18-2005, 05:17 PM

helps with liver detox too. i take it in gels.

silence4now · 02-19-2005, 09:54 AM

It's in a phosphatidylserine complex that I take. Supposed to help with mental function. So far it seems to be working.

Pat Shields · 02-19-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ChuckCR25

Has anyone tried taking lecithin granules. Im not even sure what it does but someone mentioned it to me

I did when I was in college; my memory problems were so bad that I thought this might help. Lecithin helps to rebuild brain cells and to increase brain function. Lecithin makes up about a quarter of brain matter. A good link for information is http://www.naturalfacts.com.au/phosph.html
I used the granules; they have a waxy texture, but I sort of liked this texture. Then again, I used to sniff Crayolas when I was a kid. . . .

(no, the lecithin did not help, because the problem was myelin deterioration, not lecithin deficiency. What has helped a little is Aricept, which increases the concentration of acetylcholine which enables brain signals to flow better. Now, lecithin's main component is phosphatidyl choline, which is "necessary for the body's natural production of acetycholine." They all have something to do with brain function. I was/am losing brain neurotransmitters, so what I need is more of the finished chemical available to the ones I have left.)

MizzT · 02-19-2005, 10:55 AM

Pat....ive had a lot of success lately in the neurotransmitter realm by using and Amino Acid Complex. The first one i started on was simply a liquid, full spectrum amino complex. Now i have a capsule form that is specific for serotonin reuptake and upregulated norepinephrine. It seems to have worked wonders for my dizziness.

Still not 100% maybe....but upwards of like 95% which i will take any day after the past 2 years!

Pat Shields · 02-19-2005, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defonz3

Pat....ive had a lot of success lately in the neurotransmitter realm by using and Amino Acid Complex.

Hm. I enjoy using TwinLab's liquid Amino Fuel. I use it for recuperation after a workout. Is this the same stuff you are talking about? And if not, turn me on to the one geared for neurotransmitters. I think I could use it.

Scott · 02-19-2005, 05:09 PM

bev what is the one for seratonin?

angels · 02-19-2005, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defonz3

Now i have a capsule form that is specific for serotonin reuptake and upregulated norepinephrine. It seems to have worked wonders for my dizziness.

Bev dear,
If you don't mind can you explain how you are using the word "reuptake" following serotonin and the word "upregulated" preceding norepinephrine?
Yes, I do know what the SSRIs do and I do know that when one no longer is taking the SSRI, then the receptors are getting back their normal function after "resting" when you are taking the SSRI, but are you using these two words in opposite meaning in that sentence?

Thank you, Dr. Bev.

angels · 02-20-2005, 10:03 AM

Bev,
Oh one of great knowledge. I didn't exactly know how to ask the question in my above post, but can you give it a shot?

MizzT · 02-21-2005, 08:41 PM

Sorry i havent replied. My head has been up my butt for a few days now and man do i feel like crap.

PAT: Yes...the Twinlab amino Complex. but then my naturopath put my on this stuff called Travacor - Neurotransmitter Support its by http://www.neuroscienceinc.com

To explain...My doc does muscle testing. I may also have some bloodwork done but we seem to be making headway without it and i have come to trust the muscle testing. I tested positive for my norepinephrine/adrenalin being overexcited and actually in an "upregulated" state. Same way when you take SSRIs and inhibit the reuptake of serotonin...and what they see in rats is that some of the reuptake synapses get downregulated from not using. In my case....living forever in a state of hyperadrenalin/fight or flight....i have an upregulated norepinephrine/adrenalin receptors so its hard for me to relax.
That being said....when i went to get the twinlab amino complex and talked to my homeopathic knowledgable guy at whole foods....he told me the dizziness is actually from too much serotonin reuptake....so im a little clueless as to which actually causes the dizziness but that has been my main complaint at this point.

We muscle tested the Travacor and it seemed to be the best choice for this particular situation. Im not 100% convinced that this is better than the Twinlab tho. twinlab is a liquid and it seemed to help rapidly. The travacor is still in my test phase in my mind and i have had some things that to me are indicative of it producing too much serotonin for my pleasure. I go back to my doc on the 7th of march. Will see how i feel between now and then.

angels · 02-21-2005, 08:59 PM

Thanks. I can follow how you were using the words now. As for your diagnosis for the cause of the dizzyness, it would seem that you have too much serotonin floating around as your naturopath said. I say this because now that you are no longer taking Paxil, the neurotransmitters that normally suck back up the serotonin are still getting back to normal after having a medication inhibit them.

But... the good news is that since the two diagnoses are diametrically opposed, it won't take long to find out if the Whole Foods person or your naturopath is correct. After Silence4Now recommended it one thousand times, I went out and bought the book, The Edge Effect which discusses this very subject. I'll let you know what I learn.

MizzT · 02-21-2005, 09:35 PM

im not sure if they are diametrically opposed tho.....i think its just the particular situation im in that may involve both too much serotonin...and too much adrenalin.

there is 5-htp in both amino complexes im taking. When i take straight 5-htp...it makes me really nutty really fast. So im not convinced that this is the way to go. Seems shortly after i take the travacor im a little wiggy for a while. It sort of evens out ....but then ive been so stressed for several days now that im just not sure about anything.

Please let me know what you find out from the Edge Effect. not sure i understand any of this well enough yet. and it may hide a solution.

angels · 02-21-2005, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by defonz3

Please let me know what you find out from the Edge Effect. not sure i understand any of this well enough yet.

Yeah, like I do? The Edge Effect is 300 pages. And, you know how it is, you get a sliver of the big picture from each book. But The Mood Cure by Julia Ross was just way too complicated for my little brain. What is good about this book is he limits it to just four neurotransmitters: dopamine, acdetylcholine, GABA, and serotonin and has a test to steer you toward one that you are deficient in. I have not taken the test yet. I'll keep you posted and I'd be very interested after I have read some to see what Silence4Now has learned from it.

Also, I agree that right now is not a good testing time. I think the stress it too high. I think the death of someone who has been important in our lives is the biggest stressor there is. Take it easy and appoint those dogs the Official Guardians. That's what I've done even though their 15 year old selves ain't got no hearing to speak of anymore.

What I really want to know is how one goes about selecting just the right emoticon that conveys the level of laughter you think your joke evokes? Maybe I should have put a

up there since I was so funny, eh?

Like my new avatar?

ChuckCR25 · 02-21-2005, 10:38 PM

I know that lecithin grandules helps with acdetylcholine... which is usually assoicated with relaxation, feeling of conentment

MizzT · 02-21-2005, 11:19 PM

Chuck...i agree....it also helps with liver function and choline production.

Angela...re: the Mood Cure....exactly!! I only got so far with that one. its sittin' here on the PILE! see....that PILE....gets a

too much info that can only be digested so quickly.
GABA...we talked about something or other related to GABA last time at the doc.
Im really hoping that all my weirdness in the past 24 hours is just lack of sleep and too much stress. If im still whacky in the AM im gonna try NO aminos....and see what happens. if im ok...the regimen will proceed as normal.

whatta life of a guinea pig.

scotty · 02-22-2005, 07:49 AM

Just piping in to say Angels that avatar is a sight to behold!!

silence4now · 02-22-2005, 08:17 AM

I hate to blame it on the brain chemicals, but this books really makes sense to me and that's why I keep preaching about it. What I like about the test is its designed to steer you to gain an edge on your particular brain nature. Yes, everyone goes up and down and all around with mood and tendencies, but if you pay attention to the details here you can get to know your particular edge. If nothing else, it's educating me about how the neurotransmitters work and how I can tweek each one with diet and supplements to get a a particular effect. As a result, I've started taking folic acid along with the other few supplements and I'm feeling so much better than I ever have in my life.

kglo2004 · 02-22-2005, 09:06 AM

Popping in as well to say that I am a "Claymate" as well!

Blessings,

Kathy

kglo2004 · 02-22-2005, 09:13 AM

Oh, and I had a hard time finding the "Granules" as opposed to the gel capsule...

I'm taking the capsule now....I'm still giving it some time to "kick" in...

Blessings,

Kathy

ChuckCR25 · 02-22-2005, 11:45 AM

You'd have to take a lot of capsules to equal a couple taplespoons of lecithin granules. You can find them on sale at www.Swansondirect.com

dar7726 · 02-22-2005, 01:48 PM

Bev....I just got the liquid Amino's from Twin Lab...started to get the lecithin too but....long story...I left without them.

Hoping, against hope it makes me feel better.....Lately....I just wish it was all over....but hey...hopefully it's cause I'm not sleeping AGAIN......Guess, I'm needing some sun, in order to do that.....Ya know to reset my internal clock....Can't wait til Spring....

Bev, when and how did you take your liquid Amino's

Darlene

MizzT · 02-22-2005, 06:21 PM

Aminos should ALWAYS be taken AWAY from protein. OK to take with food....but only fat or carbs. NO protein.
I tend to take them on an empty stomach either like 90 min before or after food.

Darlene...my sleep has been really bad the past week. Im a little more stable today but i need to reset also. when i have poor sleep....im ragged the next day.

dar7726 · 02-23-2005, 01:28 PM

Bev....I came back to this post to read part of it...and am a bit unclear, cause I'm feeling very anxious today and probably am just not taking the time to read fully...but when you said you can not relax....that is what I'm feeling now...and somewhere inside me is a feeling that I've been here before...(before AD's...) I don't know...during...yeah probably...any way are you saying that your naturalpath says to take the amino complex and that will help it...I feel like I'm about to run...out of my skin but there is no where to run...

Help...and thanks,
Darlene

MizzT · 02-23-2005, 05:30 PM

hi darlene. sorry for the delay. i meant to respond this morning.
What ive tested out positive for....is excessive adrenalin. possibly upregulated norepinephrine/adrenalin receptors. Also that the sympathetic nervous system is hyperactive....and the parasympathetic system is underactive. So the fight/flight is workin' overtime and the calm down and relax system is being inhibited.

The aminos are supposed to help balance me out. produce more neurotransmitters. The jury is still out tho simply because with the stressful week, hubby gone, and all the other stresses of the week/month/year/2 years whatever....i am NOT calm. i am NOT relaxed. and as such...im a bit dizzy. also a bunch of pain today. MUCH to do an man i am ready to crash for my 2 hour nap.

02-18-2005, 04:05 PM	#1
ChuckCR25 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 79	lecithin granules Has anyone tried taking lecithin granules. Im not even sure what it does but someone mentioned it to me __________________ The Pain and Suffering Will Only Make Us Tougher, Stronger, and a More Tolerant Person In The End

02-18-2005, 04:20 PM	#2
rdjanis "has a lavender scented keyboard" Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 22,238	Re: lecithin granules I take lecithin every day, my cholesterol was high, my dad swears by it, tried it, next exam everything ok. So I know it is good for this, helps with digestion etc. __________________ Rita

02-18-2005, 05:17 PM	#3
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: lecithin granules helps with liver detox too. i take it in gels.

02-19-2005, 09:54 AM	#4
silence4now Join Date: May 2004 Location: SE U.S. Posts: 3,422	Re: lecithin granules It's in a phosphatidylserine complex that I take. Supposed to help with mental function. So far it seems to be working. __________________ Lisa - Paxil free since May 2004 _________________________________ God's economy is always positive.

02-19-2005, 10:55 AM	#6
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: lecithin granules Pat....ive had a lot of success lately in the neurotransmitter realm by using and Amino Acid Complex. The first one i started on was simply a liquid, full spectrum amino complex. Now i have a capsule form that is specific for serotonin reuptake and upregulated norepinephrine. It seems to have worked wonders for my dizziness. Still not 100% maybe....but upwards of like 95% which i will take any day after the past 2 years!

02-19-2005, 05:09 PM	#8
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02-20-2005, 10:03 AM	#10
angels Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,058	Re: lecithin granules Bev, Oh one of great knowledge. I didn't exactly know how to ask the question in my above post, but can you give it a shot? __________________ Are we anti-med? I thought we were pro-heal? There's no SSRI on the market that cures anything. Therefore, SSRIs are anti-heal.. Darcy Baston There is more than lies within those shiny brochures in the a pharma reps' trunk.Sometimes you have to look beyond the marketing machine to get the facts. Laurie Yorke

02-21-2005, 08:41 PM	#11
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: lecithin granules Sorry i havent replied. My head has been up my butt for a few days now and man do i feel like crap. PAT: Yes...the Twinlab amino Complex. but then my naturopath put my on this stuff called Travacor - Neurotransmitter Support its by http://www.neuroscienceinc.com To explain...My doc does muscle testing. I may also have some bloodwork done but we seem to be making headway without it and i have come to trust the muscle testing. I tested positive for my norepinephrine/adrenalin being overexcited and actually in an "upregulated" state. Same way when you take SSRIs and inhibit the reuptake of serotonin...and what they see in rats is that some of the reuptake synapses get downregulated from not using. In my case....living forever in a state of hyperadrenalin/fight or flight....i have an upregulated norepinephrine/adrenalin receptors so its hard for me to relax. That being said....when i went to get the twinlab amino complex and talked to my homeopathic knowledgable guy at whole foods....he told me the dizziness is actually from too much serotonin reuptake....so im a little clueless as to which actually causes the dizziness but that has been my main complaint at this point. We muscle tested the Travacor and it seemed to be the best choice for this particular situation. Im not 100% convinced that this is better than the Twinlab tho. twinlab is a liquid and it seemed to help rapidly. The travacor is still in my test phase in my mind and i have had some things that to me are indicative of it producing too much serotonin for my pleasure. I go back to my doc on the 7th of march. Will see how i feel between now and then.

02-21-2005, 08:59 PM	#12
angels Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,058	Re: lecithin granules Thanks. I can follow how you were using the words now. As for your diagnosis for the cause of the dizzyness, it would seem that you have too much serotonin floating around as your naturopath said. I say this because now that you are no longer taking Paxil, the neurotransmitters that normally suck back up the serotonin are still getting back to normal after having a medication inhibit them. But... the good news is that since the two diagnoses are diametrically opposed, it won't take long to find out if the Whole Foods person or your naturopath is correct. After Silence4Now recommended it one thousand times, I went out and bought the book, The Edge Effect which discusses this very subject. I'll let you know what I learn. __________________ Are we anti-med? I thought we were pro-heal? There's no SSRI on the market that cures anything. Therefore, SSRIs are anti-heal.. Darcy Baston There is more than lies within those shiny brochures in the a pharma reps' trunk.Sometimes you have to look beyond the marketing machine to get the facts. Laurie Yorke

02-21-2005, 09:35 PM	#13
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: lecithin granules im not sure if they are diametrically opposed tho.....i think its just the particular situation im in that may involve both too much serotonin...and too much adrenalin. there is 5-htp in both amino complexes im taking. When i take straight 5-htp...it makes me really nutty really fast. So im not convinced that this is the way to go. Seems shortly after i take the travacor im a little wiggy for a while. It sort of evens out ....but then ive been so stressed for several days now that im just not sure about anything. Please let me know what you find out from the Edge Effect. not sure i understand any of this well enough yet. and it may hide a solution.

02-21-2005, 10:38 PM	#15
ChuckCR25 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 79	Re: lecithin granules I know that lecithin grandules helps with acdetylcholine... which is usually assoicated with relaxation, feeling of conentment __________________ The Pain and Suffering Will Only Make Us Tougher, Stronger, and a More Tolerant Person In The End

02-21-2005, 11:19 PM	#16
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: lecithin granules Chuck...i agree....it also helps with liver function and choline production. Angela...re: the Mood Cure....exactly!! I only got so far with that one. its sittin' here on the PILE! see....that PILE....gets a too much info that can only be digested so quickly. GABA...we talked about something or other related to GABA last time at the doc. Im really hoping that all my weirdness in the past 24 hours is just lack of sleep and too much stress. If im still whacky in the AM im gonna try NO aminos....and see what happens. if im ok...the regimen will proceed as normal. whatta life of a guinea pig.

02-22-2005, 07:49 AM	#17
scotty Administrator & Advocate Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new jersey Posts: 38,590	Re: lecithin granules Just piping in to say Angels that avatar is a sight to behold!! __________________ AKA Laurie "If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere." ~Frank A. Clark

02-22-2005, 08:17 AM	#18
silence4now Join Date: May 2004 Location: SE U.S. Posts: 3,422	Re: lecithin granules I hate to blame it on the brain chemicals, but this books really makes sense to me and that's why I keep preaching about it. What I like about the test is its designed to steer you to gain an edge on your particular brain nature. Yes, everyone goes up and down and all around with mood and tendencies, but if you pay attention to the details here you can get to know your particular edge. If nothing else, it's educating me about how the neurotransmitters work and how I can tweek each one with diet and supplements to get a a particular effect. As a result, I've started taking folic acid along with the other few supplements and I'm feeling so much better than I ever have in my life. __________________ Lisa - Paxil free since May 2004 _________________________________ God's economy is always positive.

02-22-2005, 09:06 AM	#19
kglo2004 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 244	Re: lecithin granules Popping in as well to say that I am a "Claymate" as well! Blessings, Kathy __________________ PAXHELL FREE SINCE APRIL 1ST 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Psalm 27:14 - "Wait patiently for the Lord. Be brave and courageous. Yes, wait patiently for the Lord." Joshua 1:9 - "Yes, be bold and strong! Banish fear and doubt! For remember, the Lord your God is with you wherever you go."

02-22-2005, 09:13 AM	#20
kglo2004 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 244	Re: lecithin granules Oh, and I had a hard time finding the "Granules" as opposed to the gel capsule... I'm taking the capsule now....I'm still giving it some time to "kick" in... Blessings, Kathy __________________ PAXHELL FREE SINCE APRIL 1ST 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Psalm 27:14 - "Wait patiently for the Lord. Be brave and courageous. Yes, wait patiently for the Lord." Joshua 1:9 - "Yes, be bold and strong! Banish fear and doubt! For remember, the Lord your God is with you wherever you go."

02-22-2005, 11:45 AM	#21
ChuckCR25 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 79	Re: lecithin granules You'd have to take a lot of capsules to equal a couple taplespoons of lecithin granules. You can find them on sale at www.Swansondirect.com __________________ The Pain and Suffering Will Only Make Us Tougher, Stronger, and a More Tolerant Person In The End

02-22-2005, 01:48 PM	#22
dar7726 Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,488	Re: lecithin granules Bev....I just got the liquid Amino's from Twin Lab...started to get the lecithin too but....long story...I left without them. Hoping, against hope it makes me feel better.....Lately....I just wish it was all over....but hey...hopefully it's cause I'm not sleeping AGAIN......Guess, I'm needing some sun, in order to do that.....Ya know to reset my internal clock....Can't wait til Spring.... Bev, when and how did you take your liquid Amino's Darlene

02-22-2005, 06:21 PM	#23
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: lecithin granules Aminos should ALWAYS be taken AWAY from protein. OK to take with food....but only fat or carbs. NO protein. I tend to take them on an empty stomach either like 90 min before or after food. Darlene...my sleep has been really bad the past week. Im a little more stable today but i need to reset also. when i have poor sleep....im ragged the next day.

02-23-2005, 01:28 PM	#24
dar7726 Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,488	Re: lecithin granules Bev....I came back to this post to read part of it...and am a bit unclear, cause I'm feeling very anxious today and probably am just not taking the time to read fully...but when you said you can not relax....that is what I'm feeling now...and somewhere inside me is a feeling that I've been here before...(before AD's...) I don't know...during...yeah probably...any way are you saying that your naturalpath says to take the amino complex and that will help it...I feel like I'm about to run...out of my skin but there is no where to run... Help...and thanks, Darlene

02-23-2005, 05:30 PM	#25
MizzT Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NM Posts: 6,881	Re: lecithin granules hi darlene. sorry for the delay. i meant to respond this morning. What ive tested out positive for....is excessive adrenalin. possibly upregulated norepinephrine/adrenalin receptors. Also that the sympathetic nervous system is hyperactive....and the parasympathetic system is underactive. So the fight/flight is workin' overtime and the calm down and relax system is being inhibited. The aminos are supposed to help balance me out. produce more neurotransmitters. The jury is still out tho simply because with the stressful week, hubby gone, and all the other stresses of the week/month/year/2 years whatever....i am NOT calm. i am NOT relaxed. and as such...im a bit dizzy. also a bunch of pain today. MUCH to do an man i am ready to crash for my 2 hour nap.

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