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Old 04-03-2012, 12:47 PM   #1
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Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Hey! Firstly I would just like to say thanks for creating this site! so many useful posts and discussions to help people through their withdrawl. I wanted to share my experience with Anxiety and Paxil, I have had bouts of GAD since age 17 with pretty much constant background anxiety, its only gotten so bad that I have had to take Paxil twice, once when I was 21 and the second time about 20 months ago. When I was 21 i was only on it 5 months then i quickly bailed with pretty much no withdrawl or Issues. This time has been a totally different story, I took it after my girlfriend moved in which triggered some severe anxiety and worry! so after 2 months trying to soldier on I caved and jumped onto 20mg of Paxil, it really helped, I quickly felt better and was able to deal with a complicated emotional situation, I presumed that coming off would be a similar story to when I was 21! so very wrong, 20 months later im on my third attempt at trying to taper off, 3 weeks in im down to 12mg (est as i file down the pills) and anxiety has come back with a vengence! its made me wonder if im ready to come off, or if under the veil of Paxil enduced calm I still have ongoing anxiety? normally when i have a bout of GAD i see it through, deal with the trigger and naturally feel better. I am waffling here but I guess my question or questions are

whilst on Paxil I have never reached 100% feeling better like I normally do without meds, is it possible that taking Paxil can stop you from properly putting bouts of anxiety behind you? maybe something chemical thats enduces anxiety as well as stopping it? or is just being on it enough to stop you moving on?

How can you tell whats withdrawl and what might be underlying anxiety that was being masked by Paxil? and is it maybe best to come off even if you might still be anxious underneath it all!

Apologies for this small essay, i was just wondering if anyone else had some similar experiences and its nice to give some background!
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:04 PM   #2
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Hi, and welcome! I'm sorry that you are having problems. One suggestion that I can make is to use a digital jewely scale instead of estimating. I think this may help you. You weigh the entire pill and figure out what weight corresponds to the 10 percent drop you want to make. This can help you to maintain consistency in your dosage, which is much better for the brain than bouncing back and forth on doses, skipping days...etc. Also heightened anxiety is a very common symptom in withdrawal. I do know that sometimes people experience a lot of the symptoms that they are trying to rid themselves of while they are taking paxil, or other ssris. I hope this is helpful! Keep us informed of how you are doing!
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:08 PM   #3
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Welcome to the board. Can you put in your signature you tapering schedule please? Have you dropped from 20mg to 12mg in three weeks? If so that way to quick.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:21 PM   #4
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Paxil itself causes anxiety while loading up and coming off. If you had anxiety problems *before* taking paxil, then you will see and increase in anxiety plus the chemically produced one when you taper. So you need to do it slow.

You have been on Paxil for more than a few months thus you need to watch your tapering. Sometimes you can do fine the first time you get off but then the second time it gets harder to come off ( or even reinstate). In my case, I was only on 20mg for a month so am getting away with a faster taper. But once I hit 10mg I will then slow down.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:00 PM   #5
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Hey! thanks for the replies! really helpful stuff, ive just bought some precision jewelry scales so thanks sparkswallace! really good idea, I have also added some details about my tapering.... I am just realizing it may have been a bit ambitious!! I basically measured the length of the pill and divided the length up with lines to signify weeks, I then shave them down with a nail file, aside from making me look like a drug dealer with white powder everywhere its not very scientific I guess!! I have the scales on the way now, and im planning on sticking to 12mg for a couple of weeks til i level out and the anxiety fades a bit. Is that a good idea? im feeling pretty determined, there is nothing in my life which could cause excess worry or anxiety at the mo, and i dont feel full of worry like I do from real anxiety, so Im pretty confident that this anxiety is down to withdrawl. Thanks for the tips tho guys, i had no idea it was so tricky to come off and the withdrawl would be so intense.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:19 PM   #6
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Those are very big drops.

You can get liquid seroxat which helps measuring easier.

Can you also wrote in your signature how long you have been on paxil for please. Then people will be able to advise you the best way to taper.
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Old 04-03-2012, 02:28 PM   #7
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Thanks, ive updated my history so its a bit more comprehensive. I did ask about liquid seroxat but my doc was really dismissive and said it was far too expensive and hard to get!
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Feb 2013 - Discovered all my anx stems from unresolved Abandonment issues.
March 2013 - Wishing I didnt reinstate as it didnt really help!

Sept 1st 2013 - Try Again!
10% every week or 2 weeks depending on how I feel.

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Old 04-03-2012, 03:55 PM   #8
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Thanks, ive updated my history so its a bit more comprehensive. I did ask about liquid seroxat but my doc was really dismissive and said it was far too expensive and hard to get!
Rubbish. I am in uk too and get the liquid. Explain to ya doc that it much easier to taper.
So this time round you have been on paxil for 18 months. I am not sure if that still requires the 10% taper. I am sure that others will be able to give you advice.
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Old 04-03-2012, 04:12 PM   #9
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Jeff-- Welcome to the group. Luckly you got here only three weeks into a way too fast taper. By the 10% rule that we suggest you should be at 18mg for another couple of weeks. That would be my suggestion. Go back to 18mg for four or five weeks then drop by 10% of that for 3-6 weeks. The whole idea behind the 10% rule is to drop fairly rapidly while maintaining quality of life by minimizing the w/d symptoms. People here have proved many times that going faster is more painful and takes longer overall than if you take it slow and steady.

Underlying anxiety you can talk yourself out of, while the chemically induced anxiety from the Paxil you just have to put up with until it goes away.

Hope your taper goes well.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:25 AM   #10
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Hey!

Thanks for the tips everyone, I got the scales and figured out im on about 13mg. I decided to stick with this amount and over the last week ive definitely mellowed and got through the worst of it. Im gonna stay on this dose til the end of April then resume at the 10% you all recommended... Another quick question, I left renewing my prescription a little late which has left me without paxil over the weekend..... After a only a day without my 13mg I instantly felt like crap, i was a bit hungover saturday but on Sunday it def feels like Paxil withdrawl again! Can you get withdrawl after missing only 1/2 of your normal dose?? thanks again for your help, cant wait to be paxil free to give my brain chemistry a well needed holiday!
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Feb 2013 - Discovered all my anx stems from unresolved Abandonment issues.
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Sept 1st 2013 - Try Again!
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Old 04-15-2012, 03:53 AM   #11
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

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Can you get withdrawl after missing only 1/2 of your normal dose??
Absolutely.
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:55 AM   #12
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Have you been able to get your script filled yet? Hope you feel better soon!!
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Old 04-15-2012, 10:17 AM   #13
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Hey! yes luckily it will be waiting for me at 8am tomorrow morning so itll only be 2 days without my usual dose, I guess im still going through some withdrawal from my previous express tapering! so it was a bad time to run out, but on the plus side i was feeling alot better and all of this is making more and more determined to get this drug out of my system!

Its amazing how quickly I went from feeling fine on Friday night to completely spaced out, totally confused, anxious, brain zaps, weird tinglings by Sunday!! I really thought i'd be ok just missing 2 days so i wasnt too worried when my script wasnt ready on fri. Thanks to the stuff ive learnt on this site about withdrawal im not too worried about feeling this way, otherwise i would have been really freaked out!
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Feb 2013 - Discovered all my anx stems from unresolved Abandonment issues.
March 2013 - Wishing I didnt reinstate as it didnt really help!

Sept 1st 2013 - Try Again!
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

If you get your Rx at a pharmacy (not mail order), they can often give you one or two to get you through until the full amount is there.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:02 AM   #15
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Really? thats good to know.... I started taking my usual dose again Monday morning, it now Wednesday, Ive lost the brain zaps but still feeling very out of it and very confused! better than i was though! Can it take a few days to get back to normal after just missing 2 doses? Im guessing im almost having to kind of load up again, I guess the lesson is to do my script early otherwise running out is a real week ruiner!
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Feb 2013 - Discovered all my anx stems from unresolved Abandonment issues.
March 2013 - Wishing I didnt reinstate as it didnt really help!

Sept 1st 2013 - Try Again!
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:32 AM   #16
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Sometimes it takes several days to feel back to normal after missing a few doses. It's taken me up to a week before!
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:45 AM   #17
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you must take paxil (seroxat for us uk peeps!) everyday at around the same time.
never miss a dose.
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Old 04-28-2012, 04:17 PM   #18
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Re: Can Paxil hold you back from full recovery?

Hey everyone! Just thought i'd update, prob looking for a bit of piece of mind too! i'm still holding at 13mg, bounced back after missing 3 doses pretty well, felt back on track after about 4-5 days. been feeling pretty ok since then (about 10 days) until the last couple of days where i have had a real strong sense of nervousness, worry and general impending doom and anxiety for no conceivable reason! I have no real triggers or reason to be like at that at the mo, stable relationship although its fairly new, with no pressure, mellow job etc. I can only put it down to the Paxil, can this be possible after stabilizing on the 13mg for 4-5 weeks? I know I missed a couple of doses but I felt pretty positive I was through the worst of it. Im pretty sure its just a blip, but just wanted to know if it is common to have these up's and down's so long after being on the same dose?

I had a few episodes like this when I was on the full 20mg, I just put it down to stuff going on in my life, but that was stuff that usually wouldnt bother or 'trigger' significant anxiety. Basically im starting to think strongly that although it helps certain symptoms for me (confusion mainly) Paxil itself may be causing or at least contributing to these episodes of edgyness and worry, i just cant seem to shake them like I normally do when im not taking anything!

Anyway, sorry for the rambling!! gonna keep struggling on with the withdrawl!
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Feb 2013 - Discovered all my anx stems from unresolved Abandonment issues.
March 2013 - Wishing I didnt reinstate as it didnt really help!

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Old 04-28-2012, 05:14 PM   #19
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I had a few episodes like this when I was on the full 20mg, I just put it down to stuff going on in my life, but that was stuff that usually wouldnt bother or 'trigger' significant anxiety. Basically im starting to think strongly that although it helps certain symptoms for me (confusion mainly) Paxil itself may be causing or at least contributing to these episodes of edgyness and worry, i just cant seem to shake them like I normally do when im not taking anything!
I've been going back in my mind to my years on Effexor. The same thig happened to me a lot, so I felt justified in always raising the dose. I went through a period of being afraid to ever stop SSRI use, because I remember those episodes and how they only lifted if I raised my dose. I recently went through old journals of mine, that I wrote in years and years before I ever took AD's, and realized, it was a different anxiety back then, it had a specific trigger and even if that trigger was vague (ie change in seasons) it would always pass. Now I too think the meds may have actually caused more anxiety than I thought...
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Old 04-29-2012, 04:48 AM   #20
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Yeah it does make you wonder! Its not too hard too believe that using a chemical to regulate your mood could cause such up's and down's. Makes me just want to get off them so I can see whats real anxiety and whats a result of taking/withdrawing from Paxil.
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July 2012 - 11.4mg (5%)
August 2012 - 10.8mg
Sept 2012 - Down too 10mg Half way there!!!
Jan 2013 - Broke up with my GF - STRONG fear and anx - Back to 20mg
Feb 2013 - Discovered all my anx stems from unresolved Abandonment issues.
March 2013 - Wishing I didnt reinstate as it didnt really help!

Sept 1st 2013 - Try Again!
10% every week or 2 weeks depending on how I feel.

Oct 28th - down to about 12mg - doing ok!
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