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Old 04-23-2012, 08:09 PM   #1
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tapering

Has anyone dropped to a lower taper and found they can taper faster?

For example, I am doing 5% and it i looking like every 11-12 weeks. If I do a 2.5% taper to ease the severity of symptoms, is it possible I can drop 6-7 weeks?
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:10 PM   #2
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Tapering

Can you believe it. I just posted on my journal and was going to ask a question and can't remembe what it was. I will be back...

How many others get to a place they call "stable" but still have symptoms?
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:43 AM   #3
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Re: Tapering

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Old 05-14-2012, 04:45 AM   #4
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Re: Tapering

I'm wondering about this too? If you drop 10% every 4 weeks, could you drop 5% every two weeks?
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:05 AM   #5
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Re: Tapering

I am not sure, but I think it take at least 3 weeks for the brain to "accept" any new level.
Grandma, have you tried shorter in between with 5 % drops? How did it go?

I can only do around 5 % now, and have dropped around every four week.
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:00 AM   #6
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Re: Tapering

Brassmonkey does something like this....ask him....
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Old 05-14-2012, 07:08 AM   #7
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Re: Tapering

I have a cousin who is also tapering luvox like myself. I actually went on luvox partly because of his experience with it. Anyway, he is dropping between .50 and .60 (not even a whole 1 percent) every two weeks. So, that would be between 1.5 and 1.8 percent respectively every six weeks. He said if he ever feels uncomfortable he will hold.
Do you think that even those the drops are extremely low that by dropping every 2 weeks and not giving his brain the 3 weeks needed will hurt him in the long run?
Thanks guys. You are the best!
Anyway, grandma, this has been working for him so far!
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:12 AM   #8
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Jr1985-- You could drop 5% every 2 weeks but it is going pretty fast, you need to give your brain time to catch up and settle down. You might try the "slide method" I have been using. I drop 2.5% a week for four weeks, a total of 10%, and then hold for another two weeks for a total of 6 weeks between drops. I have been doing this since Oct 2011, I just completed my fifth drop and now have to hold for a few weeks. So far the symptoms have been very manageable, they are still there but most of the time I don't notice them.

Good luck on your taper.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:24 AM   #9
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Re: Tapering

I have been wondering, between physical or psychological symptoms.

I am dropping as a failed RI, and my symptoms are 95% physical. Aches in my legs, knees, hip discomfort. None of the anxiety, depression, anheodnia or DR/DP whatsoever.

So what are yours?
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:42 PM   #10
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Re: Tapering

Mainly physical, pain in the legs, hips, hands and arms, to the point where it is hard to walk, wakes me up at night, can't sit still. I get a few of the psycological ones too, a lot of feeling nothing, some depression, very little feeling good. But these are more at the bothersome level than debilitating and tend to peak in the evening when I get home from work then settle down. Right now the pain isn't too bad, but I am a little dizzy, unfocused, and don't give a s*** about anything.
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:42 PM   #11
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Re: Tapering

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Jr1985-- You could drop 5% every 2 weeks but it is going pretty fast, you need to give your brain time to catch up and settle down. You might try the "slide method" I have been using. I drop 2.5% a week for four weeks, a total of 10%, and then hold for another two weeks for a total of 6 weeks between drops. I have been doing this since Oct 2011, I just completed my fifth drop and now have to hold for a few weeks. So far the symptoms have been very manageable, they are still there but most of the time I don't notice them.

Good luck on your taper.
Hm... interesting way to taper! I like that your symptoms are manageable. You are tapering at the 10% rate, but not 10% all at once then. I wonder if that is a gentler way on our system?
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:48 PM   #12
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Mainly physical, pain in the legs, hips, hands and arms, to the point where it is hard to walk, wakes me up at night, can't sit still. I get a few of the psycological ones too, a lot of feeling nothing, some depression, very little feeling good. But these are more at the bothersome level than debilitating and tend to peak in the evening when I get home from work then settle down. Right now the pain isn't too bad, but I am a little dizzy, unfocused, and don't give a s*** about anything.

Wow you sound just like me. I have pure physical symptoms in my legs. Hips have improved tremendously as I drop, knees flare up after each drop, usually the second day. And a few tremors here and there.

I have yet to have psychological symptoms, knock on wood.

Do you take anything for pain? does it work? ( for me nothing OTC works), some Perform cream ( same as Biofreeze) and voltaren do the job.

Have found that flexeril 5mg helps a lot, have some tramadol, but I am not taking that one. Same with neurontin, have not taken that one.
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Old 05-14-2012, 03:55 PM   #13
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George--Vicodin and voltarin, but the voltarin tastes nasty LOL. na I just use it topicaly. Like you none of the otc stuff touches it.

Wantingtoquit-- That was the whole idea behind it, to shock the body as little as possible with each drop. Giveit a try and see what happens.
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:54 PM   #14
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Re: Tapering

I only just found all these posts here - and had not received their emails, so will respond to each one next. Thanks guys for your replies!
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:59 PM   #15
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I am not sure, but I think it take at least 3 weeks for the brain to "accept" any new level.
Grandma, have you tried shorter in between with 5 % drops? How did it go?

I can only do around 5 % now, and have dropped around every four week.
Amy, I have been doing 5% for almost 12 months now. Mostly it has been 11-12 weeks between tapers. Only once I did I go for four weeks, but I was a lot better during that four weeks. That was so unreal, that I wonder if I updoesed by mistake or something, it was so weird! The next time was 11 weeks again.

Not game drop before that due to pressure heads, breathlessness, tension headahes for 2-3 days each week and vibrations in body and head.

That is why I was wondering if trya 2.5% drop I might be able to do it every 6 weeks instead, but have not really had anyone confirm that is the way to go.

I certainly would not be able to drop each week like BrassMonkey, but have given consideration to his way of "sliding" rather that jumping down.
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Old 05-20-2012, 07:01 PM   #16
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I have a cousin who is also tapering luvox like myself. I actually went on luvox partly because of his experience with it. Anyway, he is dropping between .50 and .60 (not even a whole 1 percent) every two weeks. So, that would be between 1.5 and 1.8 percent respectively every six weeks. He said if he ever feels uncomfortable he will hold.
Do you think that even those the drops are extremely low that by dropping every 2 weeks and not giving his brain the 3 weeks needed will hurt him in the long run?
Thanks guys. You are the best!
Anyway, grandma, this has been working for him so far!
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I have been wondering, between physical or psychological symptoms.

I am dropping as a failed RI, and my symptoms are 95% physical. Aches in my legs, knees, hip discomfort. None of the anxiety, depression, anheodnia or DR/DP whatsoever.

So what are yours?
My symptoms are pretty much physical also. Have had headaches all along, backache, hip pain, knees aching and painful, couldn't walk at times, then the r shoulder acted up for months on end and now it's okay but the r shoulder acting up.

I forgot to look at your signautre. What sort of taper are you doing?
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Old 05-20-2012, 07:17 PM   #18
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Do you take anything for pain? does it work? ( for me nothing OTC works), some Perform cream ( same as Biofreeze) and voltaren do the job.

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Same here, nothing worked. Even tried cortisone injections in my spine on 3 ocassions and that didn't help either. Tried tens machines, no go.

Massage does help.

After 12 months of tapering at 5% every 11-12 weeks I have no backache, the hip pain is gone and the knees are fine and I can walk for 30mins now. I find that VERY INTERESTING..... I would have to swear that all that pain and aching was from tapering the wrong way, but has taken 12 months of slow tapering to see any improvement.
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Old 05-22-2012, 06:50 PM   #19
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Re: Tapering

Once more, anyone else that went from say a 5% taper to a 2.5% taper and found it was more bearable?

I am considering doing this.
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Old 05-22-2012, 07:12 PM   #20
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Re: Tapering

i think i am doing a 2.5 ..lol..not sure..but i am going pretty slow...since i hit the lower doses..now..after i went under 10 i went to the 2.5 i think...
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:30 AM   #21
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Mapleleafgirl, so how are you doing at this rate? Is it every 4 weeks you drop?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:31 AM   #22
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Mapleleafgirl - how are you doing at this rate? Are you dropping every 4 weeks?
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