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Old 04-26-2012, 05:04 PM   #1
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were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

i think so, and the funny thing is, the lessons learned arent readily accepted by the "authorities"..
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:08 PM   #2
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

wow that was mini! Insightful though.
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:12 PM   #3
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

LoL. Totally mini!! Point well taken. And I AGREE!!
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:22 PM   #4
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

I like to refer to ssri users as "the clinical trial on millions where no one is collecting the data".
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:37 PM   #5
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

We're the lost lab rats that have been forgotten! Scary!
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Old 04-26-2012, 06:58 PM   #6
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

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I like to refer to ssri users as "the clinical trial on millions where no one is collecting the data".
Very well put!

I believe we are actually in a cycle of lab rats. My assumption is each new AD from the tri (something) to MAOI to SNRI to SSRI are the changes. I think many that were hooked on the previous versions were steered to the "newer" drugs because they were safer. SSRIs will be extinct before long and replaced with a new drug and doctors will push that new drug saying SSRIs are dangerous but this new one is safe. And the cycle continues. The drug company's use the public as lab rats, get us addicted, and promise relief with the replacements.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:35 PM   #7
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Very well put!

I believe we are actually in a cycle of lab rats. My assumption is each new AD from the tri (something) to MAOI to SNRI to SSRI are the changes. I think many that were hooked on the previous versions were steered to the "newer" drugs because they were safer. SSRIs will be extinct before long and replaced with a new drug and doctors will push that new drug saying SSRIs are dangerous but this new one is safe. And the cycle continues. The drug company's use the public as lab rats, get us addicted, and promise relief with the replacements.
Well, I hope that I am over this withdrawal before the new one comes out and they insist I take it to relieve my symptoms.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:56 PM   #8
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Well, I hope that I am over this withdrawal before the new one comes out and they insist I take it to relieve my symptoms.
YOU are the boss! You don't have to take a damn thing ever again (well once you're off Remeron). Yay.
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:16 AM   #9
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I like to refer to ssri users as "the clinical trial on millions where no one is collecting the data".
10000% agree!
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:49 AM   #10
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YOU are the boss! You don't have to take a damn thing ever again (well once you're off Remeron). Yay.
Agreed! I am still having tough times but the pure joy of knowing my fate no longer rest in the capsule of a pill.
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:05 AM   #11
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

This whole cycle of drug development reminds me very much of the cost/benefit analyses that car companies did in the 60's, chemical companies did in the 70's/80's, and cigarette companies did in the 90's. Deny any problems until it becomes overwhelming, then litigate the problems until the costs become overwhelming, then discontinue the product/service to absolve themselves of responsibility. It's happened with Ford, Union Carbide, DOW, and Phillip Morris.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:56 PM   #12
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

you know, you look at how society has in general handled the illegal drug problem for the last 100 years, is it any wonder us ssri guinea pigs are ignored?
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This whole cycle of drug development reminds me very much of the cost/benefit analyses that car companies did in the 60's, chemical companies did in the 70's/80's, and cigarette companies did in the 90's. Deny any problems until it becomes overwhelming, then litigate the problems until the costs become overwhelming, then discontinue the product/service to absolve themselves of responsibility. It's happened with Ford, Union Carbide, DOW, and Phillip Morris.
Funny thing.. Just today watching tv, and an advertisement on promoting people to quit smoking comes on... I couldn't help but to think, that one day, an advertisement on quitting ADs will be on tv in the future... when they finally, accept what they do to people... and yeap, what you say, i bet is what's happening.
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Funny thing.. Just today watching tv, and an advertisement on promoting people to quit smoking comes on... I couldn't help but to think, that one day, an advertisement on quitting ADs will be on tv in the future... when they finally, accept what they do to people... and yeap, what you say, i bet is what's happening.
I hope it happens in our lifetime.
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Old 04-28-2012, 03:43 PM   #15
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Re: were/are we the original guinea pigs for long term ssri usage?

[quote=cipher0413;755488]Funny thing.. Just today watching tv, and an advertisement on promoting people to quit smoking comes on...
the funny thing is, that a long slow wean is basically all u need to quit smoking/tobacco!
i did it in 4 months..have had 2 friends with pack a day plus smoking adictions, quit in about 5 months by decreasing the amount of cigs they smoke a day by 1 cigarette every week!
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